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Amen! I've been saying this for 2 seasons. CSP has no idea how to play with 2 true bigs...I'm not saying go "all big" as some suggest, as you still have 3 guards, but at least you would have a 2nd big to help out. If for no other reason, to rebound our missed bricks form the outside. We have been outrebounded by both APB & SDSU and it's not an "effort issue" as many want to claim - it's a size issue. So, we are losing due to poor shot selection, being outrebounded and undersized.
 

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This is correct, if we have to play through Solo, we will lose a record % of our games.

Well, if we don’t work inside out will lose them all. Our guards are to small to create enough off the bounce for themselves. And our point/forward option in Javon is too raw to best be utilized to facilitate for others....at least at any efficient rate like Niang or Burton. But it was game 2, so perhaps improvement will happen, but the schedule will crush any positivity because we will likely get trounced.
 

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The results at ISU were the same, but Too Tall won quite a bit at UNI and at Creighton. He is a proven successful head coach.

His style didn't work at ISU though. That hard-ass, micromanaging style works with shoulder-chippers but not so much with blue-chippers. He could not or would not adjust his style.

He took what happened at ISU and modified it and got Creighton to where they are. However let’s not forget he had Doug save his ass.

Amen! I've been saying this for 2 seasons. CSP has no idea how to play with 2 true bigs...I'm not saying go "all big" as some suggest, as you still have 3 guards, but at least you would have a 2nd big to help out. If for no other reason, to rebound our missed bricks form the outside. We have been outrebounded by both APB & SDSU and it's not an "effort issue" as many want to claim - it's a size issue. So, we are losing due to poor shot selection, being outrebounded and undersized.

We’re also missing like 20 more 3’s than we make every game and those are generally easy boards for the other team.
 
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What were our 3 point attempts last night? 4 of 24? Many of Solomon''s points came from 6ft 8ft even 10ft range. And, although we lost for many reasons, when it came to crunch time it was allowing offensive rebounds and 2nd/3rd chance points. Why can't we play Solomon at the 4 and George at the 5? Better 3 point opportunities arise from moving the ball in and out.
Didn't george foul like 3 times in his first 2 mins of time
 

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What are you talking about? Solo missed 6 shots while hitting almost 65% of his shots - the guard court missed 25 while hitting closer to 40% of their shots! Maybe look at a box score before your next post.
 
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A big lineup could work great if you had big guys that could pass the ball and score in the post consistently. Solomon is OK in the post. Most of his points still come from mid-range jumpers and dump off passes though. Condit hasn't shown much ability to score on post ups. Neither have shown they can both play in the post and work off each-other. So, if we play them both, what do they do?

In this day and age you need to be able to shoot the 3 to win consistently. That's just how it is. 24 three point attempts is not excessive. Just need to make them. I think the larger problem by far is defense, though. Specifically perimeter defense. SDSU guards were not quick, yet they pretty much got by their defender any time they wanted. Our defenders either jump on shot fakes, close out too hard, are late on help/switches, or just flat out get lazy and get caught "napping" constantly. Shots weren't falling from 3 last night, but we still shot 48.3% overall. That's not bad. Our % inside the arc was excellent.

Just like last year, our offense isn't great, but it's not bad. Our defense & rebounding is atrocious. We still don't have anyone that is tenacious going after loose balls and rebounds. Dubar seems to be the best, but his playing time is limited.
Yeah, defense left a lot to be desired. As you said, guys getting beat one on one, guys with poor close outs and falling for shot fakes. Really poor rotations. And yeah, rebounding leaves a lot to be desired. Dubar goes after it but you can't have your biggest guys on the court (Young and Conditt) not rebounding.
 

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Well, if we don’t work inside out will lose them all. Our guards are to small to create enough off the bounce for themselves. And our point/forward option in Javon is too raw to best be utilized to facilitate for others....at least at any efficient rate like Niang or Burton. But it was game 2, so perhaps improvement will happen, but the schedule will crush any positivity because we will likely get trounced.
Bolton and JCL aren't too small.
 

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Agree,and that's what is frustrating! Try something else. Throwing up three pointers is not am offense. Every player mostly standing in the same spot, is not an offense.
Same old same old

The past couple years this has frustrated the hell out of me too. We have to go something like 3-20 on 3's before we start attacking the rim in a game then the next night we may come out and hit 6 of our first 10 3's and all the sudden it justifies why they keep chucking them up. We've had rosters in recent years with guys that could create off the dribble and drive to the hoop or post up and make a defense have to start double teaming but those nights where the 3's aren't falling the other coach probably licks his chops and just lets us shoot away and will give us that and focus on keeping us out of the paint. We don't have enough pure 3 point shooters to shoot ourselves out of in game slumps, we should be attacking the basket from the start and using the 3 when the defenses have to collapse on a dribble drive and leaves a guy with a wide open look.
 

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Bolton and JCL aren't too small.

Yes, they are. At least to be a ball dominate 1st option. Getting to the rim and finishing against high major teams will be a struggle. How many times was Bolton’s drives last year just swatted after going right for the 100th time?
 

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Bolton isn't too small but physically, he's very weak.
I think who I like the most driving to the basket is Johnson even though at times his handles seem a little shaky. If they can spread the floor and get him in the right matchup with a bigger guy or slower guy he can take advantage of that.
 

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I think who I like the most driving to the basket is Johnson even though at times his handles seem a little shaky. If they can spread the floor and get him in the right matchup with a bigger guy or slower guy he can take advantage of that.

he can create much more space with his size and length, then make passes over the defense. He got a lot of flack after APB but his playmaking was one of the bright spots I think.
 

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Csp isn’t going anywhere guys .. I don’t hate him , I don’t love him.. fact remains he he 3 major cards in his corner with JP. This is CPR 2.0. I believe.. up doesn’t make a move until his hand is forced..

1. Keeping cmc happy
2 Covid
3 Tht and Halliburton bailing early for the nba..

as long as he keeps isu’s close or above water this year, he’s secure..
 

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Yes, they are. At least to be a ball dominate 1st option. Getting to the rim and finishing against high major teams will be a struggle. How many times was Bolton’s drives last year just swatted after going right for the 100th time?

That’s also a product of not having any big that can accept a dish and finish at the rim with explosion and elevation. Foster will help there once he gets back healthy.
 
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he can create much more space with his size and length, then make passes over the defense. He got a lot of flack after APB but his playmaking was one of the bright spots I think.

Yeah, I was probably too hard on him at first, but really it is his shot selection outside the paint that is biggest problem right now. If he can real that in and play within himself, he can be a really productive player. Especially because I think Bolton is best off the ball and is better as a catch and shoot 3 point shooter. So if you have Jackson back and you can have Jackson, Bolton and JCL on the perimeter, hopefully Johnson can drive and kick for good looks for those guys.
 

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We'd likely be worse defensively with Solo at the 4 and Conditt/Foster at the 5. I love Solo, but he's a tweener defensively. He's not good covering a strong 5 and he struggles staying with a good stretch 4 on the perimeter. He also doesn't get off the floor quick enough to rebound. He excelled early in his career with a fast paced offense, but half-court sets magnify his weaknesses.

The amount of offensive rebounds we give up continues to be the most frustrating thing that Prohm neglects. I just want to see fundamental box outs and guys fighting for the ball instead of reactionary ball-watching. Multiple offensive opportunities are momentum killers for us. Baylor and WVU will decimate us on the glass unless we greatly improve.

I do like what I've seen early from Dubar. He could be the rebounding machine we need if he continues to put in the work. He seems to have a good motor and a nose for the ball.
 

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We'd likely be worse defensively with Solo at the 4 and Conditt/Foster at the 5. I love Solo, but he's a tweener defensively. He's not good covering a strong 5 and he struggles staying with a good stretch 4 on the perimeter. He also doesn't get off the floor quick enough to rebound. He excelled early in his career with a fast paced offense, but half-court sets magnify his weaknesses.

The amount of offensive rebounds we give up continues to be the most frustrating thing that Prohm neglects. I just want to see fundamental box outs and guys fighting for the ball instead of reactionary ball-watching. Multiple offensive opportunities are momentum killers for us. Baylor and WVU will decimate us on the glass unless we greatly improve.

I do like what I've seen early from Dubar. He could be the rebounding machine we need if he continues to put in the work. He seems to have a good motor and a nose for the ball.

Not so bold prediction: Vital will have more offensive rebounds by himself than we have as a team against Baylor.

Little bit bolder prediction: vital has as more offensive boards in one game vs ISU than ISU has as a team in both games combined vs Baylor.
 
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We'd likely be worse defensively with Solo at the 4 and Conditt/Foster at the 5. I love Solo, but he's a tweener defensively. He's not good covering a strong 5 and he struggles staying with a good stretch 4 on the perimeter. He also doesn't get off the floor quick enough to rebound. He excelled early in his career with a fast paced offense, but half-court sets magnify his weaknesses.

The amount of offensive rebounds we give up continues to be the most frustrating thing that Prohm neglects. I just want to see fundamental box outs and guys fighting for the ball instead of reactionary ball-watching. Multiple offensive opportunities are momentum killers for us. Baylor and WVU will decimate us on the glass unless we greatly improve.

I do like what I've seen early from Dubar. He could be the rebounding machine we need if he continues to put in the work. He seems to have a good motor and a nose for the ball.
Yeah, it the rebounding drives me nuts because you can just see guys not finding a body to block out and just turning to watch. I don't know if they don't spend time on this or what but it shouldn't be that hard.
 
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