Kirk Ferentz getting sued for being racist

[jmb]

Yep, their terminology switches are very interesting. Glad that you brought that up. As you say, it's now been watered down to an "examination" by the law firm. Pretty soon they'll be calling it a "passing glance" at the FB program.

We all pretty much predicted that the so-called "independent investigation" would be nothing more than a pat on the back for the U of I football program and business as usual. It may be time for the BOR, the state AG (at least Tom Miller isn't a hok grad), the Iowa Civil Rights Commission, etc. to step in.

Wrong. Soon it will be called pre-litigation strategy planning.

 

[jmb]

I'm willing to say there's zero chance of that lawsuit being successful.

Those are the small issues. Federal issues are a genuine risk for the program.

 

[jmb]

I truly believe Iowa is the only one in America that is allowing racism in their program right now

I disagree. With what we have seen in since Mr. Floyd's murder there is much more racism and hatred in this country. It would be naive to say that football has somehow insulated itself from systemic racism. Look at coaching ranks, for the longest time quarterback positions, ownership, etc. Football may have some leg up but it is not an innocent industry.

 

[jmb]

Ah, so the narrative has gone from "you can't believe those players" to "everyone's doing it". I'm predicting tomorrow's excuse will be "but Kirk has black friends".

That is not what he said. Further his tone has radically changed as I perceive it as the slow drop of stories continues. @TrianglePlace will confirm I am not an apologist for him by any means.

 

[Clonefan32]

That is not what he said. Further his tone has radically changed as I perceive it as the slow drop of stories continues. @TrianglePlace will confirm I am not an apologist for him by any means.

I mentioned before I blocked Twins and didn't know his comment was in response to something from Twins. I'll admit it without the benefit of seeing what he was responding to it was taken out of context. My bad.

 

[CyTwins]

I mentioned before I blocked Twins and didn't know his comment was in response to something from Twins. I'll admit it without the benefit of seeing what he was responding to it was taken out of context. My bad.

Lol you blocked me when I mentioned in racism was an issue in the Iowa football program in 2018 and you went nuts on me for saying that. Funny how things worked out

 

[knowlesjam]

From the Chicago area and didnt play a ton and then grad transferred to West Virginia. That's about all I remember about him.

Too bad the staff at Iowa didn't take care of him...maybe you would have remembered him more. He played 11 games for West Virginia on a team that finished 10-3 and ranked 18th in the final poll. Good stats line and then had 3 years time on various NFL teams. Looks like he flourished at WV...amazing what a change in coaching philosophies will do with a quality player that isn't taking mental hits from the staff.

 

[CyTwins]

@TrianglePlace why do you think Wallace and Brian should be fired without an investigation but Kirk shouldn't be until an investigation is complete?

 

[TrianglePlace]

That is not what he said. Further his tone has radically changed as I perceive it as the slow drop of stories continues. @TrianglePlace will confirm I am not an apologist for him by any means.

An apologist for me? Confirmed.

 

[TrianglePlace]

Too bad the staff at Iowa didn't take care of him...maybe you would have remembered him more. He played 11 games for West Virginia on a team that finished 10-3 and ranked 18th in the final poll. Good stats line and then had 3 years time on various NFL teams. Looks like he flourished at WV...amazing what a change in coaching philosophies will do with a quality player that isn't taking mental hits from the staff.

If his Wiki page is correct, the furthest he got on an NFL roster was on the Buccaneers practice squad.

 

[CyTwins]

@TrianglePlace why do you think Wallace and Brian should be fired without an investigation but Kirk shouldn't be until an investigation is complete?

Bump for @TrianglePlace

 

[Statefan10]

If his Wiki page is correct, the furthest he got on an NFL roster was on the Buccaneers practice squad.

He played in a couple of pre-season games, however got injured twice which resulted in him being cut. He ended up being a nice player.

 

[TrianglePlace]

Too bad the staff at Iowa didn't take care of him...maybe you would have remembered him more. He played 11 games for West Virginia on a team that finished 10-3 and ranked 18th in the final poll. Good stats line and then had 3 years time on various NFL teams. Looks like he flourished at WV...amazing what a change in coaching philosophies will do with a quality player that isn't taking mental hits from the staff.

Also, he was stuck behind some good players at Iowa.

Fleming redshirted in 2012. In 2013, Iowa started BJ Lowery (all conference) and a freshman Desmond King at CB.

2014 and 2015 Iowa had King and Greg Mabin at the corners who were both back for 2016 when Fleming was at WVU.

 

[Statefan10]

Also, he was stuck behind some good players at Iowa.

Fleming redshirted in 2012. In 2013, Iowa started BJ Lowery (all conference) and a freshman Desmond King at CB.

2014 and 2015 Iowa had King and Greg Main at the corners who were both back for 2016 when Fleming was at WVU.

It's clear he was stuck behind competition. He never stated he didn't get equal playing time. His allegations were about the behaviors towards him while at Iowa. Also, if he was never good enough to play, why did Kirk try so hard to not let him leave? Why care?

 

[TrianglePlace]

It's clear he was stuck behind competition. He never stated he didn't get equal playing time. His allegations were about the behaviors towards him while at Iowa. Also, if he was never good enough to play, why did Kirk try so hard to not let him leave? Why care?

He played, just wasn't good enough to start.

 

[jmb]

He played, just wasn't good enough to start.

While impossible to ever really know, what would have happened in his development had he been in a more inviting culture.

 

[Statefan10]

He played, just wasn't good enough to start.

That's still does not justify Kirk trying to make him stay the way he did..

 

[Statefan10]

 

[CyTwins]

@TrianglePlace why do you think Wallace and Brian should be fired without an investigation but Kirk shouldn't be until an investigation is complete?

Bumping again for @TrianglePlace who I'm starting to think it's just using racism as an excuse to fire coaches who don't perform

 

[Statefan10]

Who would've thought that Pat's stance would've been this one?