Talking to a couple church friends who have spouses in the care center. They have been on lock down two weeks before anything happened state wide, since around the 10th of March. The only interaction they get is to look through their room windows while talking on their cells phones. They are confined to their rooms. The two spouses who are not in the care centers both said that they and their spouse are at the point that they would rather risk the virus than to live like this anymore.
They say they are alive, but they aren't "living". These are couples that are totally inseparable. I know my mom would call me while in the care center a couple times a day, especially if I missed a day of stopping in to see her.
We are in a balancing act right now. Their lives matter, but even some of them say it's no life that they are living. I know each situation is different, but it does make you think like those with bad cancer situations (I sat their while my sister made this decision), is it better to have a few good months of doing what you want or a year of isolation? I feel for those in care facilities all the way around.
it's almost like electing a governor mostly because she was a buddy of the ex-governor wouldn't backfire.
What I'm reading is most people have this perspective: we don't believe enough is was done when the threat was known early on and enough isn't being done now.
Sure, 21 said it harshly. But based on the context of his posts, he's basically saying the above.Do you agree with that perspective - or is it "wrong" as well?
I think everyone thinks that way. I hate to use the car accident analogy again, but if people actually thought "no deaths are acceptable, we can prevent them all", then they would never get into a car.
It depends on what is meant by "doing more". I don't agree more businesses should have been shut down earlier, or that they should now. I do agree that more people could have and should be taking precautions themselves.
So, I don't agree that from a governmental level, we should have done more, or need to do more. I do agree that from a personal level, people could have done more, and need to be more careful. This includes wearing masks, avoiding touching people, washing hands, etc.. I think the long term solution for the virus is for people to be personally responsible for themselves to not get the virus and not spread the virus. Continuing to shut down business long term is not a solution.
maybe those living in them should realize that they aren’t the only ones that matter. What if a nurses aide gets it and passes it on to their husband.
hospitals badly need to be bailed out. they have (by force or choice) canceled all elective surgeries / treatments which is their main source of revenue.
While I agree that it does set people off I’d say that more of a them problem than a problem with what @isutrevman said. Whether people admit it or not everyone does some of that type of analysis. If any death is unacceptable no scenario of life is acceptable. It may be a bit crass to say it but there is an acceptable amount of death in everything.You should probably avoid using this terminology in the future. When people say "acceptable amount" about people dying, it can set some people off.
Talking to a couple church friends who have spouses in the care center. They have been on lock down two weeks before anything happened state wide, since around the 10th of March. The only interaction they get is to look through their room windows while talking on their cells phones. They are confined to their rooms. The two spouses who are not in the care centers both said that they and their spouse are at the point that they would rather risk the virus than to live like this anymore.
They say they are alive, but they aren't "living". These are couples that are totally inseparable. I know my mom would call me while in the care center a couple times a day, especially if I missed a day of stopping in to see her.
We are in a balancing act right now. Their lives matter, but even some of them say it's no life that they are living. I know each situation is different, but it does make you think like those with bad cancer situations (I sat their while my sister made this decision), is it better to have a few good months of doing what you want or a year of isolation? I feel for those in care facilities all the way around.
It's ridiculous that Iowa is not part of that
Ok. Then do you have a solution that keeps the virus from spreading until we have a vaccine, which could be never? A solution that doesn't lead to food shortages, power outages, permanent mass unemployment?Well I think your perspective is deeply wrong then.
If you were a state handling this competently, would you want to attach yourself to Iowa right now? Politically we're untouchable.
Talking to a couple church friends who have spouses in the care center. They have been on lock down two weeks before anything happened state wide, since around the 10th of March. The only interaction they get is to look through their room windows while talking on their cells phones. They are confined to their rooms. The two spouses who are not in the care centers both said that they and their spouse are at the point that they would rather risk the virus than to live like this anymore.
They say they are alive, but they aren't "living". These are couples that are totally inseparable. I know my mom would call me while in the care center a couple times a day, especially if I missed a day of stopping in to see her.
We are in a balancing act right now. Their lives matter, but even some of them say it's no life that they are living. I know each situation is different, but it does make you think like those with bad cancer situations (I sat their while my sister made this decision), is it better to have a few good months of doing what you want or a year of isolation? I feel for those in care facilities all the way around.
Ok. Then do you have a solution that keeps the virus from spreading until we have a vaccine, which could be never? A solution that doesn't lead to food shortages, power outages, permanent mass unemployment?
What do you think we should be doing 6 months from now?
Never mind. Kim would rather hang out with her besties.
Never mind. Kim would rather hang out with her besties.
While I agree that it does set people off I’d say that more of a them problem than a problem with what @isutrevman said. Whether people admit it or not everyone does some of that type of analysis. If any death is unacceptable no scenario of life is acceptable. It may be a bit crass to say it but there is an acceptable amount of death in everything.
For anyone that is affected by that terminology read the below post.
I think that this is something that a lot of people need to hear. At some point society as a whole will get to this point where life in a preventative society is not worth the added safety. We aren’t there yet but in some places I think we are within a month of getting there.
A phrase like "acceptable deaths" makes it seem like more could have been done to prevent some deaths. If/When someone I know dies of this, I'd like to know everything possible was done to have prevented it. Our current situation is temporary. Everyone needs to realize it. Saying life is currently not worth living is shortsighted. Things will loosen up eventually and possibly return to some semblance of normal. People need to be more patient.