Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[Acylum]

Why are the number of cases so much higher in the US than in any other country? The numbers I see at the moment are nearly 400k cases in the US, or more than 1/4 of the known cases in the world. There are only four countries over 100k.

Why are the numbers like they are? Does the US do more testing or have better reporting? Are other countries truly that far behind us in total numbers or is this just a reporting thing? Did it just take that much longer for the virus to begin propagating in other countries?

There's also this interesting story about Patient Zero in the U.S. - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...ronavirus-spread-from-patient-zero-in-seattle
I think it's important to remember China and the W.H.O. were working in concert to keep everything under wraps, in fact, both Tweeting the disease wasn't transmissible person-to-person as late as 01/15. I've seen some experts claiming the outbreak could've been contained to solely China had they been more concerned about protecting the rest of the world than their image. I don't necessarily agree with that, but don't doubt this could've been far less impactful had both China and the W.H.O. been more forthcoming about what they knew when they knew it.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_in_place

"Erroneously used in place of a more-accurate lockdown"

From that same page: Later, the State of California used the term stay-at-home order instead.[18] Other US states started using the new term when they announced their statewide order.[19] Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York criticized anyone using the term shelter in place for his stay-at-home order as it would invoke panic due to its association with active shooting situations or nuclear wars.[20]

Okay I can get more behind it being called a SAH order instead.

 

[Statefan10]

Yeah it is hilarious because he has repeated the same thing for at least 2 weeks.

Well I sound quite similar to our governor then.

 

[Urbandale2013]

Sheltering in Place as defined by the Department of Homeland Security is exactly what the various states are doing.

I understand you have a definition of SIP that is more restrictive but SIP here in the US is defined by the Dept. of Homeland Security and it includes more than what must people think it does or should.

Do you have a link to them calling that a shelter in place. Homeland security has the list of essential employees which is broad but I haven’t seen that used in the context of them calling it shelter in place. At least before the last month.

 

[Clonefan32]

Quick question-- If we called it a Contain Yourself to Your Current Place of Residence would we be happy, or do we have to go with Shelter in Place?

 

[MeowingCows]

From that same page: Later, the State of California used the term stay-at-home order instead.[18] Other US states started using the new term when they announced their statewide order.[19] Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York criticized anyone using the term shelter in place for his stay-at-home order as it would invoke panic due to its association with active shooting situations or nuclear wars.[20]

Okay I can get more behind it being called a SAH order instead.

That makes more general sense just in name alone. Less confusing.

 

[mywayorcyway]

We have a much higher population. It's really that simple. Look at the cases per 1million. We are actually fairing better than most countries with higher populations.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I figured that was a big part of it, but it still leaves me with some questions. For a country like India, is the virus just picking up steam, and why are they so far behind us despite having 4x the population?

And what about countries similar to us in population? Why are their case numbers so much lower than ours?

I'm discounting China from the discussion.

 

[MeowingCows]

Quick question-- If we called it a Contain Yourself to Your Current Place of Residence would we be happy, or do we have to go with Shelter in Place?

"Shelter in place but not really, just stay inside when you can unless you don't feel like it in which case don't gather in groups greater than ten unless it's religious or a horse sale show" ...Order.

Rolls off the tongue nicely.

 

[isufbcurt]

Do you have a link to them calling that a shelter in place. Homeland security has the list of essential employees which is broad but I haven’t seen that used in the context of them calling it shelter in place. At least before the last month.

Sorry I meant they have an essential employee list, which is the list of people who are allowed to work in a SIP. Listening to CPE and playing on CF sometimes don't mix.

 

[NEPatriotscy]

I hardly ever post anything, but I need to speak my mind on this topic. To say that Governor Reynolds is incompetent is putting it mildly. She and all other Midwestern States were warned several weeks ago to take strong measures to contain this awful virus so that the number of cases would be held to a minimum. Why didn't she take strong steps as soon as Iowa had the first few cases (or even before)? Did she think that the COVID-19 would not spread into Iowa with any sort of severity? If so, that's pretty stupid. If she had acted immediately, it is quite possible that 26 lives could have been spared. I'm disgusted by the way she has responded to this pandemic.

 

[clonerules]

I figured that was a big part of it, but it still leaves me with some questions. For a country like India, is the virus just picking up steam, and why are they so far behind us despite having 4x the population?

And what about countries similar to us in population? Why are their case numbers so much lower than ours?

I'm discounting China from the discussion.

Who are you talking about? Which countries? Did you look at the chart?

 

[MeowingCows]

"Shelter in place but not really, just stay inside when you can unless you don't feel like it in which case don't gather in groups greater than ten unless it's religious or a horse sale show" ...Order.

Rolls off the tongue nicely.

-- also add "or you're in Wisconsin going to one of your 5 total polling places in a gigantic city to vote today even though ~15 other states all pushed back their elections for voter safety in a time of a pandemic" Order. Gotta cover all the bases.

Fortunately we would never mess up a primary that bad! ...oh, wait...

 

[Cy$]

I hardly ever post anything, but I need to speak my mind on this topic. To say that Governor Reynolds is incompetent is putting it mildly. She and all other Midwestern States were warned several weeks ago to take strong measures to contain this awful virus so that the number of cases would be held to a minimum. Why didn't she take strong steps as soon as Iowa had the first few cases (or even before)? Did she think that the COVID-19 would not spread into Iowa with any sort of severity? If so, that's pretty stupid. If she had acted immediately, it is quite possible that 26 lives could have been spared. I'm disgusted by the way she has responded to this pandemic.

you can make an argument that the closings that happened on monday should have happened in the initial wave of closings.

 

[jsb]

I am starting to wonder how she begins to end this. I work for an employer who is somewhat ok with telework but I suspect won’t be as ok when some of these orders are lifted. Will she lift them all at once? Will she be clear about when it is ok for teleworking people to go back downtown?

 

[mdk2isu]

I have to admit I'm confused about what your argument here is. Clearly an urban, dense environment with as many people as our entire state has would have a much tougher time containing and controlling something like this. Doesn't take a brain blast to decipher that.

NY and Iowa have basically the same regulations right now as to what is open and what isn't. The poster I responded to called one a train wreck and one not. I pointed out the fact that the one he was considering a train wreck has less cases and deaths per capita than the one he's saying isn't a train wreck.

In other words, I was pointing out how his statement was based on fallacy only because of the political party of the respective people making the decisions in the two locations. Not based on anything factual.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

I hardly ever post anything, but I need to speak my mind on this topic. To say that Governor Reynolds is incompetent is putting it mildly. She and all other Midwestern States were warned several weeks ago to take strong measures to contain this awful virus so that the number of cases would be held to a minimum. Why didn't she take strong steps as soon as Iowa had the first few cases (or even before)? Did she think that the COVID-19 would not spread into Iowa with any sort of severity? If so, that's pretty stupid. If she had acted immediately, it is quite possible that 26 lives could have been spared. I'm disgusted by the way she has responded to this pandemic.

I definitely see where you are coming from and can feel the frustration, but if we are trying to flatten the curve that doesn't mean less people will get it, but it will be spread out so hospitals are not overrun with patients. Now as to the people that we have lost in Iowa and this is a serious question: Did they receive the medical attention they should have gotten? A case can probably be made either way as the hospitals aren't near capacity yet so they should have had the best possible outcome with more attention devoted to them, or that if we could have held our curve off until later there may have been better knowledge and practices available for better treatment.

 

[madguy30]

-- also add "or you're in Wisconsin going to one of your 5 total polling places in a gigantic city to vote today even though ~15 other states all pushed back their elections for voter safety in a time of a pandemic" Order. Gotta cover all the bases.

Fortunately we would never mess up a primary that bad! ...oh, wait...

To add to it they really screwed up sending out absentee ballots. Never got mine and should have had it last week.

 

[dmclone]

I hardly ever post anything, but I need to speak my mind on this topic. To say that Governor Reynolds is incompetent is putting it mildly. She and all other Midwestern States were warned several weeks ago to take strong measures to contain this awful virus so that the number of cases would be held to a minimum. Why didn't she take strong steps as soon as Iowa had the first few cases (or even before)? Did she think that the COVID-19 would not spread into Iowa with any sort of severity? If so, that's pretty stupid. If she had acted immediately, it is quite possible that 26 lives could have been spared. I'm disgusted by the way she has responded to this pandemic.

Sunday March 15th-All schools in Iowa are closed starting today
Sunday March 15th-All schools in NY are closed starting today

Tuesday March 17th
Reynolds issued a State of Public Health Disaster Emergency proclamation. The key takeaways here are that restaurants and bars are prohibited from serving dine-in customers. They only can serve food and drinks through carry-out or delivery. Fitness centers, theaters, casinos and senior citizen centers also must be closed to the public. The governor’s order limits public gatherings to no more than 10 people.


Monday March 16th
Govs. Andrew Cuomo of New York, Phil Murphy of New Jersey and Ned Lamont of Connecticut agree to shutter businesses — including gyms, movie theaters and casinos — beginning at 8 p.m. and ban gatherings of more than 50 people across all three states.

 

[mywayorcyway]

Who are you talking about? Which countries? Did you look at the chart?

Yes, I looked at the chart.

US population: 330 million
US cases: 386k

Indonesia population: 270 million
Indonesia cases: 3k

Pakistan population: 219 million
Pakistan cases: 4k

Brazil population: 211 million
Brazil cases: 13k

India population: 1,400 million
India cases: 5k

Our numbers of cases is orders of magnitude larger than these counties. Why the difference? Reporting? The virus is moving slower in those places? Population differences?

I'm not trolling and there's no hidden agenda. I'm just trying to get a handle on how this is impacting other places around the world.

 

[jsb]

Yes, I looked at the chart.

US population: 330 million
US cases: 386k

Indonesia population: 270 million
Indonesia cases: 3k

Pakistan population: 219 million
Pakistan cases: 4k

Brazil population: 211 million
Brazil cases: 13k

India population: 1,400 million
India cases: 5k

Our numbers of cases is orders of magnitude larger than these counties. Why the difference? Reporting? The virus is moving slower in those places? Population differences?

I'm not trolling and there's no hidden agenda. I'm just trying to get a handle on how this is impacting other places around the world.

a lot of the difference is inept leadership. Not sure why that is hard to grasp.