I think it's because as a whole, we're doing more testing than those other countries.. I could be wrong though.
Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)
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It's also important to note that if you look at this list, it in no way shape or form considers or dictates ability to work for home. In other words, it just says "these people are essential." And when you go through the list it pretty much covers everybody that works in businesses deemed essential and those that support operations of essential business. In fact, you can look at the list and see explicit positions called out that it makes total sense they could work partly, if not completely remotely.
There have been posters on here and all over social media saying they want SIP because they could do their job from home. They are in one of the vast majority of businesses that are deemed essential or in support of operations of those that are essential. Whether there's SIP or not, it is up to that employer and the employee to determine if they can work from home. SIP doesn't change it, never did. And so far no matter what anybody calls their order, the states are all relying on these essential business or employee lists.
If you can work from home, regardless of business, it's up to you to have some balls and tell your employer that you can do your job remotely, and that's what you plan to do. Make them tell you no. If they do tell you no, then decide. If you are an employer, you need to have some brains and let anybody that can work from home to do so.
Friday April 3rd
The Iowa Board of Medicine requests that the Governor issue a stay at home order.
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/...governor-to-require-shelter-in-place-20200403
I'm saying that Reynolds should have implemented very strong measures even before the initial wave closings in order to keep the virus from spreading.
If she had taken immediate strong measures as soon as the first few cases (or even before), there wouldn't have been much of a curve to flatten. She refused to listen to the scientists and epidemiologists. Did she think that Iowa would be immune to this horrible pandemic?
I think that's probably it. Sucks that there isn't a better way to get reliable info on this, but that's a daunting task.
This whole situation is kind of like dieting.
Some areas are doing paleo, some vegan, some fasting, etc. The people fasting think they have the best solution but even amongst themselves they fight over 18:6 or 20:4.
At the end of the day, regardless of the diet, if you take in fewer calories than you burn, you're heading in the right direction.
Some areas are doing paleo, some vegan, some fasting, etc. The people fasting think they have the best solution but even amongst themselves they fight over 18:6 or 20:4.
At the end of the day, regardless of the diet, if you take in fewer calories than you burn, you're heading in the right direction.
People keep missing the forest for the trees here. Set aside the is-it-an-SIP-or-isn't-it question. The real issue is why the governor and her team can't answer simple, direct questions about her own decisions.
Weeks ago, she withheld for days the metrics she kept citing. She finally released them then wouldn't say how they were being used. Days after that, her statewide map and scoring system leaked to the media, showing what would trigger an SIP. Despite direct questions, she will not discuss the methodology behind any of it.
She's asserted that other states have called up asking to use her metrics. She was asked directly which states called. She's given nothing approaching an answer.
At least twice now, she's been asked why she needs these metrics to trigger an SIP when she is arguing we are already under an SIP. She's given nothing approaching an answer.
She didn't like the models that had been made public so she said they're developing their own. (Important side note there, we're weeks into the crisis and they've just now decided it's time to develop a model despite numerous others out there.) She promised results early this week. When asked today, her team said we might get a summary of other models later this week but there is no model of her own coming in the foreseeable future. Almost as if something happened that precluded their need to build their own model.
They withheld for days information on which care facilities (aside from the major one in Linn County) had outbreaks.
I could go on. But look at the big picture. The SIP is one of dozens of questions they won't, or can't, answer.
Weeks ago, she withheld for days the metrics she kept citing. She finally released them then wouldn't say how they were being used. Days after that, her statewide map and scoring system leaked to the media, showing what would trigger an SIP. Despite direct questions, she will not discuss the methodology behind any of it.
She's asserted that other states have called up asking to use her metrics. She was asked directly which states called. She's given nothing approaching an answer.
At least twice now, she's been asked why she needs these metrics to trigger an SIP when she is arguing we are already under an SIP. She's given nothing approaching an answer.
She didn't like the models that had been made public so she said they're developing their own. (Important side note there, we're weeks into the crisis and they've just now decided it's time to develop a model despite numerous others out there.) She promised results early this week. When asked today, her team said we might get a summary of other models later this week but there is no model of her own coming in the foreseeable future. Almost as if something happened that precluded their need to build their own model.
They withheld for days information on which care facilities (aside from the major one in Linn County) had outbreaks.
I could go on. But look at the big picture. The SIP is one of dozens of questions they won't, or can't, answer.
You're not looking very close then.
Indonesia 62 test per million
USA: 6078 test per million
Pakistan: 177 test per million
Brazil: 258 test per million
India: 102 test per million
I haven't seen anyone say this could be completely stopped. It will continue to be around until and probably after a vaccine comes out in 12-18 months. Every state is trying to flatten the curve until that time, so hospitals aren't overwhelmed. I don't think most people would be able to handle more draconian measures for 12 months until we would be almost completely in the clear and realistically for that time frame would probably (my opinion) be more devastating for not only the economy but people's physical and mental health.
The ideal situation put forth by most is flatten the curve enough to not overwhelm the hospitals but keep it steep enough that we gain some semblance of normalcy via herd immunity until a vaccine comes out.
This keeps going back and forth. The numbers and projects show what's been done so far is having a relatively positive affect. I'm concerned with what it looks like in two weeks if the totals start to catch up because the approach feels like a 'where we are now' when 'now' doesn't necessarily reflect what's actually happening with this thing.
Hoping for the best possible outcome.
I do think the 10 point thing sounds kind of like the '3 warnings' rule in an elementary classroom where you end up putting out little fires in different places.
I’ve always understood the essential employees list to be for after the shelter in place. Kind of in a scenario like now.
Yeah the 10 points is really difficult to hit. Think of it this way: Everyone in one of the state regions could be infected/die and as long as no spread in a nursing home you'd still only hit a 9 and therefore not warrant additional steps according to the 10 point matrix.
Yeah, herd immunity doesn't even start until a population base hits 40% exposed/immune and will not eliminate spread until it reaches 80-95% exposed/immune. Only a vaccine can allow a population base to artificially build herd immunity.
Here's where the numbers get concerning...right now we are just shy of 400,000 tracked cases. Even if we have didn't test 99 out of 100 cases, so there actually is 40,000,000 COVID positive (400,000 times 100...made the math easy) this is around 12% of our population. Another 100,000,000 people in the U.S. need to catch the disease before we even hit 40% and just start to tickle herd immunity.
https://www.healthline.com/health/herd-immunity#stats
Question: Where are you getting the discharged or recovered numbers? Every site I check doesn't have that number. Thanks
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