Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[SEIOWA CLONE]

I just ran uptown and talked to our small town pharmacist, ask what he had been hearing. He said that they had been told that's it suppose to peak in Iowa in 3 to 4 weeks from today. He said that is the peak, that there would still be new cases after that date, but just fewer each week.

So if he right, then we are just beginning this process and nowhere near the end.

 

[Cy$]

I just ran uptown and talked to our small town pharmacist, ask what he had been hearing. He said that they had been told that's it suppose to peak in Iowa in 3 to 4 weeks from today. He said that is the peak, that there would still be new cases after that date, but just fewer each week.

So if he right, then we are just beginning this process and nowhere near the end.

Guessing somewhere in late may we’ll be close enough to normal to work

 

[Die4Cy]

I'm pretty ignorant with regard to all this so when you say "flatten after that" does that mean that if it does indeed flatten in two weeks; our prophylactic measures can be removed? Can we then go back to work and school?

At what point can we know that going back to work and school won't simply cause a big spike regardless of how long it's been flat?

It will all depend upon what public health officials know about where we are at in relation to hospitalizations, critical care, and the general rate of infection. The reality is, when compared to other pandemics of this type, you have to get about 2/3 of the public to have immunity to it, for it to subside on its own. And doing that via a vaccine, even with expedited approvals, probably won't happen until late 2021.

There is going to be a significant health risk for years due to COVID-19. We won't keep these kinds of containment protocols that long.

 

[Clonefan32]

I wonder how many cases that will be that will never be addressed or identified due to asymptomatic cases. Where the symptoms were marginal enough to basically confuse as a cold or never even recgonize yet people pass them off to others.

Many companies are not yet effected other than cleaning more often and providing hand sanitizers and some bulletin board material. I never realized how flexible the word "essential" is until now

But it has to be, doesn't it? How could you possibly provide an exhaustive list of what is essential, especially with how intertwined everything is today.

Short of shutting down malls, I just can't think of a single industry that is still functioning that does not have some important, vital roll in a people's day-to-day lives.

 

[cycloneG]

I'm pretty ignorant with regard to all this so when you say "flatten after that" does that mean that if it does indeed flatten in two weeks; our prophylactic measures can be removed? Can we then go back to work and school?

At what point can we know that going back to work and school won't simply cause a big spike regardless of how long it's been flat?

As long as the curve is flat, don't you have to keep doing what you're doing? Any change would cause it to start going up again. Don't you have to wait for it to start going down before making any changes?

 

[Clonehomer]

To begin with and extend as needed. That’s what you need to do to control this virus.

At some point we're going to have to come out of our caves. We can't lock down for 18 months until a vaccine is available. What is the plan to return to normal? Since we are doing a good job isolating in Iowa, only a small percentage of the population has been exposed to it. So a rush return to normal is going to cause a spike, regardless of when it is. Do we keep seniors in lockdown while the rest of us return? Do kids go back to school this year?

This is what I hope Governor Reynolds has a team working on what this plan is whether that is in April, May, or later

 

[Ms3r4ISU]

But it has to be, doesn't it? How could possible provide an exhaustive list of what is essential, especially with how intertwined everything is today.

Short of shutting down malls, I just can't think of a single industry that is still functioning that does not have some important, vital roll in a people's day-to-day lives.

Depends on whether you seeing "essential" as a personal opinion or a state code-defined term.

 

[aeroclone]

It’s like wayyy overdue for a major eruption though, seriously.

Look on the bright side though, I'm pretty sure the virus can be killed with liquid hot magma!

 

[madguy30]

Look on the bright side though, I'm pretty sure the virus can be killed with liquid hot magma!

You could probably stand close to it and be protected due to the high heat.

 

[RotatingColumn]

Sioux City runs into 3 states. Thanks to SD we still have bars, casinos and restaurants open in town. And they are crammed full with idiots all day long.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Yeah that's an excellent point. We'll likely keep seeing increases in cases as the testing catches up and more people get tested.

Look at the age of the majority of positive tests... it's still pretty obvious they are being REALLY selective as far as who gets tested. At this point the numbers aren't even close to reality and that was coming from someone who works at the U of I hospital.

 

[Statefan10]

Look at the age of the majority of positive tests... it's still pretty obvious they are being REALLY selective as far as who gets tested. At this point the numbers aren't even close to reality and that was coming from someone who works at the U of I hospital.

Oh 100%. I don't think people realize that our current number doesn't reflect where we're going to be in two weeks or even the end of this week.

 

[WhoISthis]

As long as the curve is flat, don't you have to keep doing what you're doing? Any change would cause it to start going up again. Don't you have to wait for it to start going down before making any changes?

Presumably, the first wave would be the most severe, so flattening that one is paramount.

In theory, flattening the curve right now is allowing the infrastructure we should have been preparing for months to now get in place- things like development and deployment of fast testing, PPE, more ventilators, etc. This all lessens the need for continual, indefinite flattening of the curve.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

At some point we're going to have to come out of our caves. We can't lock down for 18 months until a vaccine is available. What is the plan to return to normal? Since we are doing a good job isolating in Iowa, only a small percentage of the population has been exposed to it. So a rush return to normal is going to cause a spike, regardless of when it is. Do we keep seniors in lockdown while the rest of us return? Do kids go back to school this year?

This is what I hope Governor Reynolds has a team working on what this plan is whether that is in April, May, or later

The percentage that kids go back to school this year is somewhere in the neighborhood of zero.

 

[cycloneworld]

Maybe we'll see a huge increase but it looks to me like Iowa is doing a pretty good job of flattening the curve.

I don't think we really know that yet. We've tested around 2,000 total people. Our infection rate is similar to national average but our hospitalization rate is much, much lower which is great. This next week will tell us a lot. If we start to see double/tripling of new cases, we'll right along with other areas. If we don't, we've likely done really well at distancing and flattening the curve.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Presumably, the first wave would be the most severe, so flattening that one is paramount.

In theory, flattening the curve right now is allowing the infrastructure we should have been preparing for months to now get in place- things like development and deployment of fast testing, PPE, more ventilators, etc. This all lessens the need for continual, indefinite flattening of the curve.

I 100% agree with this but unfortunately even with flattening the curve I'm not sure if the medical supply chain will be able to catch up.

 

[madguy30]

The percentage that kids go back to school this year is somewhere in the neighborhood of zero.

Coming up on 8-10 weeks left for most places I think...might as well do what can be done like online learning but I'm not sure how you just switch gears back to normalcy for the last two weeks or whatever.

 

[CascadeClone]

Many companies are not yet effected other than cleaning more often and providing hand sanitizers and some bulletin board material. I never realized how flexible the word "essential" is until now

Define "effected".

Our small biz has seen average daily revenue drop by 83% from the first 2 weeks of March, compared to last week. We are a global parts supplier, not a bar, restaurant, or entertainment venue.

Almost everyone who isn't making, transporting, or retailing basic consumer goods is getting obliterated.

 

[cowgirl836]

I don't think we really know that yet. We've tested around 2,000 total people. Our infection rate is similar to national average but our hospitalization rate is much, much lower which is great. This next week will tell us a lot. If we start to see double/tripling of new cases, we'll right along with other areas. If we don't, we've likely done really well at distancing and flattening the curve.

I don't know that your cases are as far along on average. Give it another week and check the hospitalization rate again.

 

[Clonefan32]

Depends on whether you seeing "essential" as a personal opinion or a state code-defined term.

From what I've seen on state, codified shelter-in-place orders they don't bother trying to pin down "essential". The one's I've seen are broad enough just about any industry can fit the definition.

Let's just say you take the bare bone essentials. Food, shelter and health care. But in order to operate a grocery store there are easily a dozen other industries that help make that run. IT, transportation, HR, legal, accounting, payroll, logistics, scheduling etc. It's just going to be impossible to draw any kind of firm line.