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[Cycl1]

stats per 40mins

Lewis: 17.7 pts. 6.5 rebounds 1.4ast

Nixon: 11.4 pts. 4.1 rebounds 2.7 ast

Grill: 6.8 pts 5.6 rebounds 2.5 ast

 

[Skyh13]

FWIW --

I think Jacobson was the worst offender against FAMU.

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19 minutes, 0/3 from three, only 2 points, 1 rebound, 1 turnover

That is not productivity. His complete collapse (not just regression, collapse) this season is an unheralded part of why we are frankly so bad right now.

Fifth-year seniors should be good players. Jacobson and Nixon are just not.

Lewis was not exactly good in that game either, though.

We basically only have two plus players right now.

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That is not enough, and one of them is about to leave for the NBA.



Wigginton did play more minutes in the Big 12 and the postseason than Horton-Tucker. I assume Prohm's hands were tied on that one, however. I think he probably promised THT a starting spot during his recruitment, or at least heavily implied one, and he had to honor that to keep Simeon happy, which put him in a rough place. You were not putting NWB or Shayok on the bench, Haliburton was way too good not to have out there, and I do not think he wanted to play four posts. So LW was the odd man out.

I'm glad the numbers sort of validate what I think I'm seeing. You're right re: Jacobson. He was a **** hero in some games last year, with his fight for the boards and other things. He was never a high ceiling player, but he should've been a high floor guy. But he's been just terrible this year. Agree that this team has a different outlook if he is playing like last year. Probably still a middling team, but at least not a dumpster fire.

Nixon is clearly just a "eat some minutes" player, which if we weren't counting on transfers to help rebuild and lead the team after the exodus last year, would be fine. But as is, it hurts a lot. The fact that he brings absolutely nothing in terms of running an offense, guard-play wise, hurts even more as a 5th year player who we need minutes from.

And of course, the lack of good guard play and really pitiful outside shooting has put a ton of pressure on the big men that ISU just doesn't have the players to handle.

I was hoping Conditt would take a bigger step this year. I still have hope for him, although I'm less convinced that Prohm can figure out how to make the offense work around him. Grill looks like a complete miss, hopefully that isn't the case. Beyond that... boy, unless the newcomers next year are all-stars, this is gonna get much worse before it has a chance to get better.

 

[larrysarmy]

I'm glad the numbers sort of validate what I think I'm seeing. You're right re: Jacobson. He was a **** hero in some games last year, with his fight for the boards and other things. He was never a high ceiling player, but he should've been a high floor guy. But he's been just terrible this year. Agree that this team has a different outlook if he is playing like last year. Probably still a middling team, but at least not a dumpster fire.

Nixon is clearly just a "eat some minutes" player, which if we weren't counting on transfers to help rebuild and lead the team after the exodus last year, would be fine. But as is, it hurts a lot. The fact that he brings absolutely nothing in terms of running an offense, guard-play wise, hurts even more as a 5th year player who we need minutes from.

And of course, the lack of good guard play and really pitiful outside shooting has put a ton of pressure on the big men that ISU just doesn't have the players to handle.

I was hoping Conditt would take a bigger step this year. I still have hope for him, although I'm less convinced that Prohm can figure out how to make the offense work around him. Grill looks like a complete miss, hopefully that isn't the case. Beyond that... boy, unless the newcomers next year are all-stars, this is gonna get much worse before it has a chance to get better.

Grill is not a complete miss. He’s 18 playing against men. I actually think his ceiling is high. He has a good shot (not great, again 18) and has good athleticism. He plays with effort all the time and the D is getting better. A good off season, strength and confidence will go along ways...same could be said for Jackson. If they stick around, they will be solid.

 

[Irish1]

I have so many thoughts. I have been at every home game this year except for Kansas (I was on a work trip, and it ended up being a blessing in disguise). I am going to go on a bit of a rant, feel free to ignore.

Thing one, I really like Prohm… as a person. And as a recruiter. I cannot, however, understand his coaching (or lack thereof) decisions 90% of the time.

Last night, on so many possessions, we did not make it more than 2-3 feet inside the 3 point line with the ball at any point. Several of those possessions, we did not even make it that far. One of those possessions was on what I think was Bolton’s second made three. He stood at the top of the key, waited for the offense to get set up, and with out a single pass, jacked up a contested three ball with 8 seconds left on the shot clock. He made it, and the crowd roared, but let’s not let that distract us from how terrible of a possession that was. Those points were not scored by coaching, but rather an individual effort.

With regards to roster management, I think he is woefully stubborn.

Terrance brings a lot to the court:

Willingness to go after boards (outrebounded by 11 last night). He is tied with Haliburton for highest rebounds per minute from a guard (Zion is higher, but listed as a forward) – with fewer opportunities than any other scholarship player.

Slashing ability – Key on a team that stands around the perimeter. Just a note – two of the three possessions last night that I watched specifically for this, Grill stood in the corner – AND LITERALLY DIDN’T MOVE. Did not take a single step. That is either Caleb not knowing what to do, or TERRIBLE coaching.

Steadfastness – Has stuck with the program when many other players wouldn’t have – and is getting passed over by players who are worse by both metrics, and the eye test.

Scoring – He is our second highest scoring guard in points per minute (if you don’t include Schuster). On a team that struggles to break 50 on any given night, perhaps adding some scoring wouldn’t be a bad idea.

1. Bolton
2. Conditt
3. Schuster
4. Young
5. LEWIS

Further, He is our highest guard in field goal percentage (if you don’t include Schuster), behind only Haliburton.

He is third in 3 point percentage (if you don’t include Steyer), behind only Haliburton and Bolton.

Last night, there were exactly 3 players who made more than 1 basket. Bolton, Haliburton and Conditt. Despite that, Conditt got fewer minutes than everybody EXCEPT Lewis and Grill. When we are getting annihilated in the post, does it matter who is getting annihilated? In that case, PUT IN SOME DAMN SCORING!

Not particularly Turnover Prone. He has the fourth best turnover per minute rating on the team, outside of walk-ons. Only Nixon, Grill (who doesn’t handle the ball at all), and Jacobson are better.

Given all of this, I have a few questions:

• Why are his minutes per game lower than any other scholarship player at this point (if you take out the outlier game that he started)?
• Why is he trusted to start in the event of an injury, but to only see 2 minutes of game action last night?
• Why does her have the fewest played games of any scholarship player? He has played in 65% of games. Next lowest is 90%.
• Why is Coach Prohm consistently mismanaging rosters?
• When will Terrance leave to play for a coach that might give him an opportunity. If is does, I will thank him for his contributions, wish him the best of luck, and completely understand his decision.

End Rant.

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[Irish1]

I have so many thoughts. I have been at every home game this year except for Kansas (I was on a work trip, and it ended up being a blessing in disguise). I am going to go on a bit of a rant, feel free to ignore.

Thing one, I really like Prohm… as a person. And as a recruiter. I cannot, however, understand his coaching (or lack thereof) decisions 90% of the time.

Last night, on so many possessions, we did not make it more than 2-3 feet inside the 3 point line with the ball at any point. Several of those possessions, we did not even make it that far. One of those possessions was on what I think was Bolton’s second made three. He stood at the top of the key, waited for the offense to get set up, and with out a single pass, jacked up a contested three ball with 8 seconds left on the shot clock. He made it, and the crowd roared, but let’s not let that distract us from how terrible of a possession that was. Those points were not scored by coaching, but rather an individual effort.

With regards to roster management, I think he is woefully stubborn.

Terrance brings a lot to the court:

Willingness to go after boards (outrebounded by 11 last night). He is tied with Haliburton for highest rebounds per minute from a guard (Zion is higher, but listed as a forward) – with fewer opportunities than any other scholarship player.

Slashing ability – Key on a team that stands around the perimeter. Just a note – two of the three possessions last night that I watched specifically for this, Grill stood in the corner – AND LITERALLY DIDN’T MOVE. Did not take a single step. That is either Caleb not knowing what to do, or TERRIBLE coaching.

Steadfastness – Has stuck with the program when many other players wouldn’t have – and is getting passed over by players who are worse by both metrics, and the eye test.

Scoring – He is our second highest scoring guard in points per minute (if you don’t include Schuster). On a team that struggles to break 50 on any given night, perhaps adding some scoring wouldn’t be a bad idea.

1. Bolton
2. Conditt
3. Schuster
4. Young
5. LEWIS

Further, He is our highest guard in field goal percentage (if you don’t include Schuster), behind only Haliburton.

He is third in 3 point percentage (if you don’t include Steyer), behind only Haliburton and Bolton.

Last night, there were exactly 3 players who made more than 1 basket. Bolton, Haliburton and Conditt. Despite that, Conditt got fewer minutes than everybody EXCEPT Lewis and Grill. When we are getting annihilated in the post, does it matter who is getting annihilated? In that case, PUT IN SOME DAMN SCORING!

Not particularly Turnover Prone. He has the fourth best turnover per minute rating on the team, outside of walk-ons. Only Nixon, Grill (who doesn’t handle the ball at all), and Jacobson are better.

Given all of this, I have a few questions:

• Why are his minutes per game lower than any other scholarship player at this point (if you take out the outlier game that he started)?
• Why is he trusted to start in the event of an injury, but to only see 2 minutes of game action last night?
• Why does her have the fewest played games of any scholarship player? He has played in 65% of games. Next lowest is 90%.
• Why is Coach Prohm consistently mismanaging rosters?
• When will Terrance leave to play for a coach that might give him an opportunity. If is does, I will thank him for his contributions, wish him the best of luck, and completely understand his decision.

End Rant.

 

[Irish1]

Agree agree agree.

 

[Clonefan32]

I could only imagine the reaction here is Lewis got suspended. People freaked out when it happened to Lard

I guess I don't care about fan's reactions. The struggle for me is this odd grey area he's in where he plays some nights and other nights he doesn't play with no real explanation.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I have so many thoughts. I have been at every home game this year except for Kansas (I was on a work trip, and it ended up being a blessing in disguise). I am going to go on a bit of a rant, feel free to ignore.

Thing one, I really like Prohm… as a person. And as a recruiter. I cannot, however, understand his coaching (or lack thereof) decisions 90% of the time.

Last night, on so many possessions, we did not make it more than 2-3 feet inside the 3 point line with the ball at any point. Several of those possessions, we did not even make it that far. One of those possessions was on what I think was Bolton’s second made three. He stood at the top of the key, waited for the offense to get set up, and with out a single pass, jacked up a contested three ball with 8 seconds left on the shot clock. He made it, and the crowd roared, but let’s not let that distract us from how terrible of a possession that was. Those points were not scored by coaching, but rather an individual effort.

With regards to roster management, I think he is woefully stubborn.

Terrance brings a lot to the court:

Willingness to go after boards (outrebounded by 11 last night). He is tied with Haliburton for highest rebounds per minute from a guard (Zion is higher, but listed as a forward) – with fewer opportunities than any other scholarship player.

Slashing ability – Key on a team that stands around the perimeter. Just a note – two of the three possessions last night that I watched specifically for this, Grill stood in the corner – AND LITERALLY DIDN’T MOVE. Did not take a single step. That is either Caleb not knowing what to do, or TERRIBLE coaching.

Steadfastness – Has stuck with the program when many other players wouldn’t have – and is getting passed over by players who are worse by both metrics, and the eye test.

Scoring – He is our second highest scoring guard in points per minute (if you don’t include Schuster). On a team that struggles to break 50 on any given night, perhaps adding some scoring wouldn’t be a bad idea.

1. Bolton
2. Conditt
3. Schuster
4. Young
5. LEWIS

Further, He is our highest guard in field goal percentage (if you don’t include Schuster), behind only Haliburton.

He is third in 3 point percentage (if you don’t include Steyer), behind only Haliburton and Bolton.

Last night, there were exactly 3 players who made more than 1 basket. Bolton, Haliburton and Conditt. Despite that, Conditt got fewer minutes than everybody EXCEPT Lewis and Grill. When we are getting annihilated in the post, does it matter who is getting annihilated? In that case, PUT IN SOME DAMN SCORING!

Not particularly Turnover Prone. He has the fourth best turnover per minute rating on the team, outside of walk-ons. Only Nixon, Grill (who doesn’t handle the ball at all), and Jacobson are better.

Given all of this, I have a few questions:

• Why are his minutes per game lower than any other scholarship player at this point (if you take out the outlier game that he started)?
• Why is he trusted to start in the event of an injury, but to only see 2 minutes of game action last night?
• Why does her have the fewest played games of any scholarship player? He has played in 65% of games. Next lowest is 90%.
• Why is Coach Prohm consistently mismanaging rosters?
• When will Terrance leave to play for a coach that might give him an opportunity. If is does, I will thank him for his contributions, wish him the best of luck, and completely understand his decision.

End Rant.

The issue with our offense is that we are incredibly easy to guard right now. We aren't making shots and this has provided the opposing teams with the ability to limit TH's impact. Look how far behind the 3 point line defenses have been making us initiate our offense. You can scheme all you want but unless the guards can start knocking down three's we are fighting with one arm tie behind our backs.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I'm glad the numbers sort of validate what I think I'm seeing. You're right re: Jacobson. He was a **** hero in some games last year, with his fight for the boards and other things. He was never a high ceiling player, but he should've been a high floor guy. But he's been just terrible this year. Agree that this team has a different outlook if he is playing like last year. Probably still a middling team, but at least not a dumpster fire.

Nixon is clearly just a "eat some minutes" player, which if we weren't counting on transfers to help rebuild and lead the team after the exodus last year, would be fine. But as is, it hurts a lot. The fact that he brings absolutely nothing in terms of running an offense, guard-play wise, hurts even more as a 5th year player who we need minutes from.

And of course, the lack of good guard play and really pitiful outside shooting has put a ton of pressure on the big men that ISU just doesn't have the players to handle.

I was hoping Conditt would take a bigger step this year. I still have hope for him, although I'm less convinced that Prohm can figure out how to make the offense work around him. Grill looks like a complete miss, hopefully that isn't the case. Beyond that... boy, unless the newcomers next year are all-stars, this is gonna get much worse before it has a chance to get better.

MJ's fall off this year has been incredibly disappointing. Conditt's ceiling is really high but he needs the guards to hit some shots to open up the lane. Everyone is packing it in on us.

 

[ISUTex]

The issue with our offense is that we are incredibly easy to guard right now. We aren't making shots and this has provided the opposing teams with the ability to limit TH's impact. Look how far behind the 3 point line defenses have been making us initiate our offense. You can scheme all you want but unless the guards can start knocking down three's we are fighting with one arm tie behind our backs.

They also make a lot of stupid passes. They get lost on defense all of the time. Do they even try to rebound? It's not just outside shooting. There are other ways to win games or at least be competitive. This team is a joke right now.

 

[madguy30]

Grill is not a complete miss. He’s 18 playing against men. I actually think his ceiling is high. He has a good shot (not great, again 18) and has good athleticism. He plays with effort all the time and the D is getting better. A good off season, strength and confidence will go along ways...same could be said for Jackson. If they stick around, they will be solid.

I find it interesting that Grill guards his guy like ISU is playing a box and 1 defense and if that's an adaptation to help him out.

 

[CyTwins]

I guess I don't care about fan's reactions. The struggle for me is this odd grey area he's in where he plays some nights and other nights he doesn't play with no real explanation.

So suspending him for a game or two with no real explanation would make you happy?

 

[madguy30]

So suspending him for a game or two with no real explanation would make you happy?

Remember when that jereis dude thought CSP should sit players for not doing the right thing but at the same time thought Lard should have been starting?

Good times.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

They also make a lot of stupid passes. They get lost on defense all of the time. Do they even try to rebound? It's not just outside shooting. There are other ways to win games or at least be competitive. This team is a joke right now.

Hitting three's would completely open the floor though. We are such an easy team to guard right now it's not even funny.

 

[TheHonestCycloneFan]

I'm most puzzled by the consistency of his minutes. If he is doing something off the court, why give him any minutes? What does 2 minutes accomplish?

I understand we don't have a right to know the exact scenario. However, when only one player is getting really sporadic minutes (and there's not a significant gap in productivity from other players), people paying money to watch the game are going to have questions.

I agree. If he is trying to teach him life lessons, why play him at all if he is not fulfilling his side of the agreement. I would argue that given a player who has earned a role garbage minutes does more bad than good.

 

[NENick]

The outside impression of Lard's situation seemed to point to mental/emotional health and/or substance use issues. He was suspended multiple times IIRC.
What's going on with TL must be different, less "serious." Academic? Does he oversleep and miss an early class? Doesn't submit an assignment? CSP is informed by academic coach? Just conjecture.

What seems obvious, playing 2 minutes last night after the Auburn performance makes no basketball sense.

 

[simply1]

Remember the two minutes are after Jackson's 3rd foul to end the half, guessing he wasn't going to see the floor otherwise. If it's a life coaching thing, why do this?

 

[Cyinthenorth]

I'm not sure I can disagree more. If he's not doing the right things off the court and doesn't deserve to play I don't think the life lesson to teach him is just play him anyways. Prohm is trying to make him a successful person at this point not a professional basketball player

I guess it all depends what exactly TLew is doing to be in the dog house. If he's cancerous to the team or to himself, I agree. If it's dumb stuff like being unsure of what to major in as a junior or something, then I disagree. His major is basketball. Everything else comes second as long as he's going thru the right motions with classes/grades.

 

[Scott34]

Yeah I think the biggest gripe with people is Prohms consistency of minutes with Lewis. If there is an off the court issue, make it a legit suspension and move on. Dont fiddle fart around with his playing time.

 

[CyTwins]

I guess it all depends what exactly TLew is doing to be in the dog house. If he's cancerous to the team or to himself, I agree. If it's dumb stuff like being unsure of what to major in as a junior or something, then I disagree. His major is basketball. Everything else comes second as long as he's going thru the right motions with classes/grades.

Academics have nothing to do with him. He has no issues there