I worry that Adams just set out to make a movie that pleased fans instead of actually trying to make a good movie. Which is a horrible way to go about making anything of value.
Star Wars episode 9: The Rise of Skywalker
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Have you seen ANYTHING that guy has made before?
That is what he does.
It is his thing as much as big dumb CGI explosion fests are Michael Bay's.
Funny you say the bolded part when most Star Wars fans I know consider Empire Strikes Back to be the pinnacle of all the Star Wars movies. I kind of feel the same way as well, but it really was 100% a set-up for Return of the Jedi.
I think I've said it on here before, but my belief still holds. Star Wars has just become to big. There are so many people who have had it set in their minds what they want to get out of the movies, that they find it almost impossible to enjoy the movies for what they are. I'm not saying anyone is wrong for doing this, merely that I don't think it's possible for anyone to make a movie that every SW fan would come out and say it was magnificent.
A lot of what I hear from my SW fan friends is "OMG, it was terrible, worst SW ever" but in reality, it wasn't a bad movie, it just didn't tel the story like they expected it to be told. I guess I'm lucky in the fact that I'm just a casual fan of the saga. I'm still more into cool space ships, cool action scenes and for the most part, Star Wars still delivers that for me. I don't really get too much into what story should be told.
Not gonna lie, 6 Underground is awesome in a campy explosion fest way. I loved all of it, especially the first 15 minutes. Don't @ me
I'm in the same boat as @Clonefan94. I'm a fan of the series and will see TROS in theaters. I'm just going into it with the expectation that it's ok and not great. I haven't hated any of the other movies, but I've accepted them as being ok movies. I can't bring myself to get upset over a movie that doesn't meet up to my expectations. It just means I won't re-watch them (looking at you, AOTC)
I loved the original three back in the day but when I re-watch them, I'm not gonna pretend that there weren't any flaws. The dialogue was campy in a lot of parts. The story flowed, but it was choppy and had it's share of eye-rolling plot holes and wasted scenes. But, it's Star Wars and I grew up watching it with my big brother and it will always hold a nostalgic place for me.
Trying to build on the original trilogy was a mistake, IMO. It was always going to be impossible to please so many people that invested so much into a franchise. Certain things could have been done better, but it would have still been divisive. Branching off to other story lines would have been the way to go, but the toothpaste is out of the tube already.
I loved the original three back in the day but when I re-watch them, I'm not gonna pretend that there weren't any flaws. The dialogue was campy in a lot of parts. The story flowed, but it was choppy and had it's share of eye-rolling plot holes and wasted scenes. But, it's Star Wars and I grew up watching it with my big brother and it will always hold a nostalgic place for me.
Trying to build on the original trilogy was a mistake, IMO. It was always going to be impossible to please so many people that invested so much into a franchise. Certain things could have been done better, but it would have still been divisive. Branching off to other story lines would have been the way to go, but the toothpaste is out of the tube already.
I could not get over my thought that Ryan Reynolds was doing the movie as a satire, and I couldn't continue watching. Hilariously rough
Wow.
So far 58% on rotten tomatoes
Attack of the Clones is 66% on RT
let that sink in
I am still avoiding major spoilers and will watch it twice this weekend.
I watched TFA yesterday and will watch Last Jedi and JJ Abrams Star Trek 2009 too prepare.
My biggest fear before watching TFA and Last Jedi was they would have awful character arcs(8) or be a soft predictable reboot (7)
My biggest problem with the new trilogy is I have no understanding of "the first order" or "the resistance". They tell us nothing about how the first order came too be after the Empire fell apart. It's unbelievable, even for a sci fi fantasy movie, how powerful the first order is. I liked Rey Finn Poe and Kylo characters in TFA. Wasnt giddy with TFA but atleast they gave us likable characters. TLJ wasn't a complete disaster other then ruining Luke Skywalker who before TLJ was the mentally strongest Jedi as he was willing too give up his life rather then return too the Dark Side in RotJ.
I knew Rise of Skywalker was gonna be a mess. But not this bad.....
So far 58% on rotten tomatoes
Attack of the Clones is 66% on RT
let that sink in
I am still avoiding major spoilers and will watch it twice this weekend.
I watched TFA yesterday and will watch Last Jedi and JJ Abrams Star Trek 2009 too prepare.
My biggest fear before watching TFA and Last Jedi was they would have awful character arcs(8) or be a soft predictable reboot (7)
My biggest problem with the new trilogy is I have no understanding of "the first order" or "the resistance". They tell us nothing about how the first order came too be after the Empire fell apart. It's unbelievable, even for a sci fi fantasy movie, how powerful the first order is. I liked Rey Finn Poe and Kylo characters in TFA. Wasnt giddy with TFA but atleast they gave us likable characters. TLJ wasn't a complete disaster other then ruining Luke Skywalker who before TLJ was the mentally strongest Jedi as he was willing too give up his life rather then return too the Dark Side in RotJ.
I knew Rise of Skywalker was gonna be a mess. But not this bad.....
I see your point, but I would argue that Empire and Jedi are two parts of the same story arc. In a traditional three act structure, the end of Empire is the end of Act 2 (the heroes at their darkest moment) before fighting back and emerging victorious in Act 3. And the end of Empire is definitely their low -- Luke is grievously wounded, struggling with the revelation that Vader is Anakin Skywalker and the temptations of the dark side, Han is Jabba's prisoner, Leia and Lando and everybody else are on the run, and the Alliance had the stuffing beat out of it by the Empire the whole movie. It is their turn to fight back from there.
All that gets resolved... perhaps a little too neatly, I am well aware of the criticisms of Jedi out there... in Jedi, which is essentially an extended third act.
Empire was not a commercial for Jedi -- it was just half of a film that had a clear plan of where it was going next. It is like the end of The Fellowship of the Ring -- same problem of the heroes at perhaps their darkest moment before they fight back, but the narrative arc that we are trying to tell is not yet completed (and we know it is not).
Building to an ending with a plan is different than a series that can theoretically go on forever and has to, by design and commercial necessity, always make each entry an episode in a tale of undetermined length. Say what you will about the Ewoks, but The Return of the Jedi at least gave the original three a conclusion, wrapped up the major plot points, gave the characters a fitting end, and then closed the book on everything.
Agree completely, which makes it even more amusing to me that the very online folks want them to make a movie around the Revan story. My wife and I are going to see it this weekend and I'm looking forward to be entertained for a few hours
The viewer's introduction to the Resistance and FO is identical to the Rebellion and Empire in A New Hope. If you appreciate the original trilogy I'm baffled how this is a problem for you now.
Here are Mr Plinkett reviews for 7 and 8
You can also find his half in the bag reviews for them. Also has reviews for the prequels, star trek, titanic, avatar, and kingdo of the crystall skull.
Heres the prediction video for rise of skywalker.
You can also find his half in the bag reviews for them. Also has reviews for the prequels, star trek, titanic, avatar, and kingdo of the crystall skull.
Heres the prediction video for rise of skywalker.
This. This and them taking Finn's big moment away were my two biggest annoyances with the movie. Everything else was pretty par for the course with what I come to expect from Star Wars movies.Wow.
So far 58% on rotten tomatoes
Attack of the Clones is 66% on RT
let that sink in
I am still avoiding major spoilers and will watch it twice this weekend.
I watched TFA yesterday and will watch Last Jedi and JJ Abrams Star Trek 2009 too prepare.
My biggest fear before watching TFA and Last Jedi was they would have awful character arcs(8) or be a soft predictable reboot (7)
My biggest problem with the new trilogy is I have no understanding of "the first order" or "the resistance". They tell us nothing about how the first order came too be after the Empire fell apart. It's unbelievable, even for a sci fi fantasy movie, how powerful the first order is. I liked Rey Finn Poe and Kylo characters in TFA. Wasnt giddy with TFA but atleast they gave us likable characters. TLJ wasn't a complete disaster other then ruining Luke Skywalker who before TLJ was the mentally strongest Jedi as he was willing too give up his life rather then return too the Dark Side in RotJ.
I knew Rise of Skywalker was gonna be a mess. But not this bad.....
I give the original a pass because im that type of guy. Obi wan does talk about anakin/Vader clone wars and briefly the rise of the empire. Every person that got wealthy of StarWars can thank the editors that saved that film
I feel like the Kylo Ren prequal, Marriage Story, explains a lot about why he went to the dark side. Nasty divorces really take their toll.
Disagree. That kind of introduction makes sense in a first movie, not in a movie where we already know the backstory and the empire was supposedly defeated. Was a flaw of this trilogy from the start
Fun fact: The iconic opening crawl with the text exists because viewers didn't know what was happening at the start of Ep4. It was added after the movie was finished.
I agree with you, it's just part and parcel with how TFA was just trying to copy the success of 4.
He asked Michael Bay about his characters backstory and it didn't have one haha. Also, I loved him alongside Ben Mendelsohn in Mississippi Grind. That was a movie I wished more people caught on to
