All Iowa Football Team---Post Bowl Edition

[Cat Stevens]

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yikes. That’s enough to disqualify gonzo from ever having a legitimate sports take ever again.

Wonder where ol 3 degrees is to provide his extremely knowledgeable sports background to tackle this one.

Minnesota with a better receivers and talent than Iowa State.

 

[SouthernCy]

So you think Daviyon Nixon should be in there instead of Ray Lima. Got it.

Comparing a NT on stats vs a LB on stats is completely different and you know that. But keep acting like you don't

 

[dexterhawk]

Comparing a NT on stats vs a LB on stats is completely different and you know that. But keep acting like you don't

Nixon isn't a LB

 

[Gonzo]

Comparing a NT on stats vs a LB on stats is completely different and you know that. But keep acting like you don't

Why should you compare LBs based on stats but not DL?

 

[SouthernCy]

Nixon isn't a LB

Of course he's not because Iowa doesn't play a 3 down front

 

[dexterhawk]

Of course he's not because Iowa doesn't play a 3 down front

Nixon wouldn't be a LB if the Hawks played a 2 man front.

 

[SouthernCy]

Why should you compare LBs based on stats but not DL?

I didn't say DL. I said NT. Nose tackles don't get stats like DE's or DL. That isn't their function. This has been discussed a million times on here. NT's function is to clog the middle to let others (LB's) make plays. DL are meant to clog middle to some degree, but not to the degree that NT's are.

 

[SouthernCy]

Nixon wouldn't be a LB if the Hawks played a 2 man front.

No s***. Clearly this point is going far over your head

 

[Gonzo]

I didn't say DL. I said NT. Nose tackles don't get stats like DE's or DL. That isn't their function. This has been discussed a million times on here. NT's function is to clog the middle to let others (LB's) make plays. DL are meant to clog middle to some degree, but not to the degree that NT's are.

Ah, so system/scheme matters. So like if one LB played in a very blitz-heavy scheme and another played in a system that rarely ever blitzed and relied more on LBs being good in pass coverage, it'd be kind of silly comparing their sack numbers? Or does that system/scheme thing only apply to NTs?

 

[SouthernCy]

Ah, so system/scheme matters. So like if one LB played in a very blitz-heavy scheme and another played in a system that rarely ever blitzed and relied more on LBs being good in pass coverage, it'd be kind of silly trying to compare their sack numbers? Or does that system/scheme thing only apply to NTs?

Trying to say Iowa State is blitz heavy is just objectively wrong. Especially because Vance is used heavily as a QB spy and to cover flats. Just as Iowa's do.

 

[Statefan10]

Ah, so system/scheme matters. So like if one LB played in a very blitz-heavy scheme and another played in a system that rarely blitzed and relied more on LBs being good in pass coverage, it'd be kind of silly trying to compare their sack numbers? Or does that system/scheme thing only apply to NTs?

A lot of it is about eye tests, and that's a lot of how the NFL looks at talent too. A player's ability doesn't reflect their stats every single time. However there is a huge difference between a nose tackle's stats and a linebacker's.

 

[dexterhawk]

No s***. Clearly this point is going far over your head

clearly

 

[Gonzo]

Trying to say Iowa State is blitz heavy is just objectively wrong. Especially because Vance is used heavily as a QB spy and to cover flats. Just as Iowa's do.

Not when you compare them to Iowa.

 

[Gonzo]

A lot of it is about eye tests, and that's a lot of how the NFL looks at talent too. A player's ability doesn't reflect their stats every single time. However there is a huge difference between a nose tackle's stats and a linebacker's.

So you're saying there's a huge difference between using stats to compare one LB to another, versus comparing an NT to a DT?

 

[TheJackWePack5]

So you think Daviyon Nixon should be in there instead of Ray Lima. Got it.

I’ll give you that if you give me Zach Peterson over Epenesa.

Deal? Deal.

 

[CyTwins]

I’ll give you that if you give me Zach Peterson over Epenesa.

Deal? Deal.

Man remember when I told them Peterson would be much better than Waggoner and got laughed at?

 

[Gonzo]

I’ll give you that if you give me Zach Peterson over Epenesa.

Deal? Deal.

Yeah that's kind of my point. I wouldn't put Nixon in for Lima just because he has better numbers.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Comparing a NT on stats vs a LB on stats is completely different and you know that. But keep acting like you don't

Im really beginning to think he doesn’t.

 

[Statefan10]

So you're saying there's a huge difference between using stats to compare one LB to another, versus comparing an NT to a DT?

No I'm actually agreeing with you on the take that comparing one linebacker's stats to another may not be the most accurate way of saying who's better.. But comparing a NT and a DT, who play different positions is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[GTO]

The fact that some Hok fans are so stubborn to still claim Stanley is better than Purdy is just mind boggling.