Which is the ironic part. The formation is supposed to help with safety but was used here to do the exact opposite.
ISU press conference about band situation
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Which is the ironic part. The formation is supposed to help with safety but was used here to do the exact opposite.
Because there is no "E" in Iowa. They only know four letters.
Again, you're reversing it. Most band members, including myself, knew the difference. But there were always those that romanticized about it enough to convolute the intent.
You are taught (and I agree with the mentality) that you are performing from the moment you put on the uniform to the moment you take it off. And you are --
You are wearing the uniform, therefore you are representing the university.
College marching bands -- including ours -- have been parading out of stadiums after games since the beginnings of college football and college marching bands.
The HMB members were not random people trying to get to their cars. They were still in uniform, representing their school, about to get onto university-provided transportation to head back to Iowa City. Them wanting to parade out -- if only to stay organized/keep a count -- is perfectly reasonable. Making a lot of noise while doing so and marching right into a congested corridor when open ones were available (and they knew about it)... not so much.
I love the concept that the band has to march out of the stadium to the bus together, in formation. Your job is done, just walk yourself to the bus like anyone else.
That, and what did they do to fans when trying to exit?
Let's start with fact one: An ISU fan assaulting a member of Iowa's marching band--absent reasonable self defense--is unacceptable. I don't care if the fan was provoked by the band as a whole or an individual band member.
Fact two: Iowa's band leadership showed gross negligence/incompetence, bordering on recklessness. They exited through the wrong gate, at a time when Jack Trice was still emptying. They led the band at a course and speed that plowed directly into ISU fans leaving the stadium. And on top of all of that, they ordered the band to play in that environment, rather than having them focusing on marching and safety.
Fact three: Iowa's band members did exactly what they should have done and what they were trained to do. They followed instructions and stayed in rank. If you were not in the ISUCF"V"MB (or, for you Hawk fans on the message boards, Iowa's band), you have absolutely no idea how terrifying it is to march through the opponent's fans after the Iowa-Iowa State game. Breaking ranks only further exposes individual members to assault, harassment, theft, etc. Anyone trying to blame individual band members for staying in rank and following orders is just blind to reality.
That video shows a complete clusterfuck. But if an ISU fan assaulted a member of Iowa's marching band, and wasn't acting in reasonable self-defense, I want them expelled/banned/arrested.
Fact two: Iowa's band leadership showed gross negligence/incompetence, bordering on recklessness. They exited through the wrong gate, at a time when Jack Trice was still emptying. They led the band at a course and speed that plowed directly into ISU fans leaving the stadium. And on top of all of that, they ordered the band to play in that environment, rather than having them focusing on marching and safety.
Fact three: Iowa's band members did exactly what they should have done and what they were trained to do. They followed instructions and stayed in rank. If you were not in the ISUCF"V"MB (or, for you Hawk fans on the message boards, Iowa's band), you have absolutely no idea how terrifying it is to march through the opponent's fans after the Iowa-Iowa State game. Breaking ranks only further exposes individual members to assault, harassment, theft, etc. Anyone trying to blame individual band members for staying in rank and following orders is just blind to reality.
That video shows a complete clusterfuck. But if an ISU fan assaulted a member of Iowa's marching band, and wasn't acting in reasonable self-defense, I want them expelled/banned/arrested.
Can confirm that the Iowa band hates children, old people, and puppies.
Have bands really gotten this ******* stupid since I was in one, or just the Iowa band?
Doorways must be extremely challenging.
Marching out in formation makes sense logistically. Doing it into a crowd of opposing fans represents either bad judgement, or stupidity.
University of Iowa embarrasses itself again.
University of Iowa embarrasses itself again.
JFC. Sorry but Fact three sounds ridiculous.
And I guess I can understand that after you've put yourself in that situation you would want to stick together. I do get that. But to use "bands don't break rank" as an excuse to justify their ramrodding themselves through a congested crowd is ridiculous.
To me, the band put themselves in a bad situation purposefully. That does not mean they deserve to be assaulted. However, I do think at that point it becomes incumbent on them to do what they can do to diffuse the situation. Staying 10 wide, refusing to yield, and playing your instrument does not do that.
Honestly part of me feels like Barta is trying to get fired. Nothing else makes sense
They were trying to make a point. It’s just they made the point that they are idiots, and likely they thought they were being bad$&@ or something.
He should double down and extend Fran tonight.
Are they 10? Do we need to line them all up along a wall and pat their heads for a count? Know where the bus is. Walk to bus. If not on bus when time to leave you are an adult figure it out.
This could all have been handled privately. ISU and Iowa could have talked it out. Both schools could have come up with more stringent policies to focus on safety.
That was easily the post of the year on here, and Fact #3 is very much fact.
The problem is not the mentality of "do not break ranks" here.
The problem was trying to ramrod through a packed crowd.
I do not remember trying to do that in high school or college. Probably a reason for that.
