.

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Teaching licenses are generally pre K - 6, then 7 & 8th and then 9 - 12. It depends upon the subject that you are teaching and when you got your license. I received my teaching license in 1985, I can therefore teach any core subject in the 7 - 8 grades, or if they have a middle school set up 6 - 8.

If you would look at my license, I have always been the swing teacher, I can teach PE/health k - 12, all core classes in 7 - 8, in high school everything in social studies, and everything in science but chemistry and physics. I can get the temp. certificate to teach those two classes but that would require extra schooling.

The hardest thing to learn in teaching is generally not the content, its dealing with the age group you are teaching. I worked with elementary kids for one year, if I had to do it again, I would retire. I prefer HS age students, MS school age kids are OK but really squirrely, its a difficult time in life.

Teachers are not really taught how to deal with students, its all curriculum based education, we are doing better now with the mentoring we are using. Pairing up new teachers with experienced teachers to help them through the first two years. If they complete those 2 years, then the state awards them their full license, if they do not measure up, some are given a 3rd year, or they lose their job.

 

[canker2323]

If someone has a different opinion than him on something that ultimately doesn't even matter it just means he's far superior.

That is the majority of the cave. If you don't agree with an issue, you must be either evil or dumb, AND you support Trump in some way.

 

[madguy30]

T
Teachers are not really taught how to deal with students, its all curriculum based education, we are doing better now with the mentoring we are using. Pairing up new teachers with experienced teachers to help them through the first two years. If they complete those 2 years, then the state awards them their full license, if they do not measure up, some are given a 3rd year, or they lose their job.

Not a lot of support for handling parents either which is backwards considering schools are catering to parents as parenting has seemed to....'evolve'.

*evolve meaning being more friends than parents to their child, and acting like their child will never fail or not be great at everything and nothing wrong will ever happen to them and anything that's not great for them is the school's fault.

 

[SimpsonClone]

During my PhD program, I had my moment of doubt (that most go through) and thought about getting a teacher's certificate. I went to one of the academic advisers in the College of Education, provided my transcripts (BS, MA) and asked what it would take to get certified. I was expecting a few classes in teaching methods and philosophy. But no - it was a laundry list of classes that would have taken me 3 years if I went full time. One of the classes was one that I had taught during my master's program, and another was one that I was currently teaching. Both at Big 12 universities. Both to many, many education majors. I said, "well gee, I took those classes years ago, and I am now teaching them, so at least I won't have to take those classes again." And he said no - you have to take them recently and have them on your transcripts. I responded "I will end up taking exams that I wrote" and he said "Great! You will get good grades in those classes."

Color me jaded...

Not sure what state you were looking to get your license in or when you ran into this issue, what I can tell you now is that you don't have to have taken the classes recently, but just be able to show them on a transcript. There is some education specific courses you have to take (Secondary Music Methods) but others that are part of other majors that would be able to satisfy the requirements (Music Theory I). I put a couple of examples from my time in college to illustrate the difference. Most of the classes needed for licensure that aren't part of other majors are methods courses, education philosophy, and education law courses.

 

[Sigmapolis]

That is the majority of the cave. If you don't agree with an issue, you must be either evil or dumb, AND you support Trump in some way.

You forgot the hating of any math, too, even if many of the subjects at hand are fundamentally budgetary ones or have relevant quantification, and whining about any posts longer than approximately 200+ words. All pretty hilarious stances considering the issues under discussion are ones that intellectuals spend careers on and write books about even small parts of these issues, and that messages that would take up 1-2 paragraphs in an academic text are too much for a board of people that I would assume have/are receiving college educations.

But nah, just repeating catechisms about how much you hate one side and trying to shove everybody with a different viewpoint than you into it is way more fun.

 

[nfrine]

With all the weird teachers and their shenanigans in the news lately, a backgroud check is probably the most important "license" needed.

 

[ArgentCy]

What part of this don't you understand? I had a teacher that had a technical degree, but was vastly unprepared for classroom teaching, which perhaps some more training and a more advanced license would've corrected for both him and whomever your hypothetical fake second option that assumes they would've been terrible too.

I usually think you get a bad wrap on here for being a know-it-all expert on everything, but the shoe fits.

Another class or two was not going to improve his teaching. Not significantly

 

[Dr.bannedman]

During my PhD program, I had my moment of doubt (that most go through) and thought about getting a teacher's certificate. I went to one of the academic advisers in the College of Education, provided my transcripts (BS, MA) and asked what it would take to get certified. I was expecting a few classes in teaching methods and philosophy. But no - it was a laundry list of classes that would have taken me 3 years if I went full time. One of the classes was one that I had taught during my master's program, and another was one that I was currently teaching. Both at Big 12 universities. Both to many, many education majors. I said, "well gee, I took those classes years ago, and I am now teaching them, so at least I won't have to take those classes again." And he said no - you have to take them recently and have them on your transcripts. I responded "I will end up taking exams that I wrote" and he said "Great! You will get good grades in those classes."

Color me jaded...

link me to your dissertation

 

[ArgentCy]

Licensing is now helping to destroy or at least put my current industry into turmoil. The problem is that the requirements are stuck in the past and allow for absolutely no flexibility. So now you get a few who just don't care and make as much money as they can until getting in trouble. The problem is coming from random companies using "the Cloud" and big data and now we can't compete because there is no such thing as a limited scope. We basically have to consider everything under the sun so there is nothing we can do and the most knowledgeable people are now not involved in a lot of areas.

 

[3TrueFans]

If it weren't for that damn Cloud I'd be so successful!

 

[ArgentCy]

If it weren't for that damn Cloud I'd be so successful!

Don't complain to me when your next appraisal is not worth a hoot. Licensing is causing a wider range of quality and people doing the reports. Heck, it may just be completed by a computer with no one even looking at the data that was used. Garbage in Garbage out.

A lot of the good appraisers are just dropping mortgage lending and doing only private work.

 

[3TrueFans]

A lot of the good appraisers are just dropping mortgage lending and doing only private work.

So what are you doing?

 

[ArgentCy]

So what are you doing?

Thinking about the same. That would require moving to a larger city as their isn't as much available. What I'd really like is to bring a professional opinion and use these newer tools to bring superior appraisals to the area at lower costs because, well, the people here tend to have less money. And offer an option to some of these national companies that are completely clueless and just taking as much money as they can grab.

 

[matclone]

That is the majority of the cave. If you don't agree with an issue, you must be either evil or dumb, AND you support Trump in some way.

The call for personal responsibility long ballyhooed by Republicans apparently does not extend to speech.

 

[acoustimac]

Basically the State has figured out a way to make money and grow their influence from these licenses. They are ridiculous but they add more every year. They get to charge for the renewals every X years. They create demand for CE classes that may or may not make them more money. We are forced to buy a Book every two years for the "updates" that goes straight to a private organization that then gets to write more rules.

Plus these licenses make it easier on administrators and the unions. It's all one big scam.

One word...CLUELESS

 

[ArgentCy]

One word...CLUELESS

CONVINCING

 

[acoustimac]

The licenses serve a very distinct purpose. For example to teach elementary school the coursework that leads to the license focuses specifically on the skills and knowledge needed to work with children of that age. The same is true for secondary. Other things that you are calling licenses are actually what are referred to as endorsements. A teacher wanting to get a reading endorsement for elementary would take additional coursework that prepares them to be a reading specialist. Other elementary endorsements are much the same. Another example you gave was special education. The coursework required for this endorsement provides these individuals with very specific training to work with children who have special needs. Coaching? Do you want somebody coaching who hasn’t had first aid, care and prevention of athletic injuries, etc? The CEUs are required so that teachers stay current in their fields. There are lots of professions that require the same things. It’s not a scam or way to make money.

 

[CloneAggie]

The licenses serve a very distinct purpose. For example to teach elementary school the coursework that leads to the license focuses specifically on the skills and knowledge needed to work with children of that age. The same is true for secondary. Other things that you are calling licenses are actually what are referred to as endorsements. A teacher wanting to get a reading endorsement for elementary would take additional coursework that prepares them to be a reading specialist. Other elementary endorsements are much the same. Another example you gave was special education. The coursework required for this endorsement provides these individuals with very specific training to work with children who have special needs. Coaching? Do you want somebody coaching who hasn’t had first aid, care and prevention of athletic injuries, etc? The CEUs are required so that teachers stay current in their fields. There are lots of professions that require the same things. It’s not a scam or way to make money.

"Teachers don't already know how to read?" — ArgentCy (probably)

 

[ArgentCy]

The licenses serve a very distinct purpose. For example to teach elementary school the coursework that leads to the license focuses specifically on the skills and knowledge needed to work with children of that age. The same is true for secondary. Other things that you are calling licenses are actually what are referred to as endorsements. A teacher wanting to get a reading endorsement for elementary would take additional coursework that prepares them to be a reading specialist. Other elementary endorsements are much the same. Another example you gave was special education. The coursework required for this endorsement provides these individuals with very specific training to work with children who have special needs. Coaching? Do you want somebody coaching who hasn’t had first aid, care and prevention of athletic injuries, etc? The CEUs are required so that teachers stay current in their fields. There are lots of professions that require the same things. It’s not a scam or way to make money.

So kids must be much better educated today with all these new endorsements, huh? Too bad the results are going the wrong direction.

 

[acoustimac]

So kids must be much better educated today with all these new endorsements, huh? Too bad the results are going the wrong direction.

Laughable. These certifications have been around for decades. You asked me to be convincing? Where is anything that supports your claims? I see NOTHING.

Here is but one example that shows how Iowa compares to other states (and rather favorably). https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/iowa