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[BoxsterCy]

Speaking licensing, little known fact, I was the first landscape architect licensed by exam in the State of Iowa.

The first 168 were grandfathered in (or by reciprocity with other states) when the law was passed in 1975. I have mixed feelings about how necessary that is today but was a big deal to me at the time.

Now back to our regularly scheduled ideological bickering.

 

[madguy30]

Laughable. These certifications have been around for decades. You asked me to be convincing? Where is anything that supports your claims? I see NOTHING.

Here is but one example that shows how Iowa compares to other states (and rather favorably). https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/iowa

A while back in the thread I believe it was assumed teachers many years ago were just certified teachers with nothing specifically tagged on for what they were teaching.

The education system is a mess but if it's assumed that licensing requirements for subject areas is a reason really is laughable.

 

[ArgentCy]

Laughable. These certifications have been around for decades. You asked me to be convincing? Where is anything that supports your claims? I see NOTHING.

Here is but one example that shows how Iowa compares to other states (and rather favorably). https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/iowa

Iowa was Top 3 when I grew up. Fallen to #13 in that particular list.

 

[ArgentCy]

Speaking licensing, little known fact, I was the first landscape architect licensed by exam in the State of Iowa.

The first 168 were grandfathered in (or by reciprocity with other states) when the law was passed in 1975. I have mixed feelings about how necessary that is today but was a big deal to me at the time.

Now back to our regularly scheduled ideological bickering.

Lucky you. I hope you learned how not to drop heavy things on your feet.

 

[ArgentCy]

Laughable. These certifications have been around for decades. You asked me to be convincing? Where is anything that supports your claims? I see NOTHING.

Here is but one example that shows how Iowa compares to other states (and rather favorably). https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/iowa

Also scores tend to keep falling or are stable while costs are soaring.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/act-scores-show-drop-in-college-readiness-especially-in-math-1539768600

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-act-score-for-2015-2014-2013-and-earlier-years

 

[DurangoCy]

Another class or two was not going to improve his teaching. Not significantly

Opinions stated as facts are my least favorite form of communication.

 

[madguy30]

Also scores tend to keep falling or are stable while costs are soaring.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/act-scores-show-drop-in-college-readiness-especially-in-math-1539768600

https://blog.prepscholar.com/average-act-score-for-2015-2014-2013-and-earlier-years

Teacher licensing for specific subjects and areas was a thing when scores were trending upward.

 

[ArgentCy]

Opinions stated as facts are my least favorite form of communication.

That was not stated as a fact. I'm not sure there is such a thing as a fact here in the Cave.

 

[ArgentCy]

Teacher licensing for specific subjects and areas was a thing when scores were trending upward.

Those scores are basically flat line. They actually appear to peak slightly when the economy peaks and declines with recessions.

 

[3TrueFans]

Those scores are basically flat line. They actually appear to peak slightly when the economy peaks and declines with recessions.

So then why are you linking it like it's related to teaching endorsements?

 

[madguy30]

Those scores are basically flat line. They actually appear to peak slightly when the economy peaks and declines with recessions.

So the economy did well during times in which teachers were required to get endorsements?

 

[ArgentCy]

So then why are you linking it like it's related to teaching endorsements?

Because they aren't improving anything. So what is the point other than raising more money for the state?

 

[ArgentCy]

So the economy did well during times in which teachers were required to get endorsements?

What? No, those scores went up slightly during economic booms. 1999-2000, 2007, and then decline slightly as the economy goes down.

 

[acoustimac]

Iowa was Top 3 when I grew up. Fallen to #13 in that particular list.

You making this up? Show the data and something REAL for the reason in the change.

 

[acoustimac]

What? No, those scores went up slightly during economic booms. 1999-2000, 2007, and then decline slightly as the economy goes down.

So what you are saying is that when the state has the money to properly fund education things go better? And this relates to licensing how?

 

[acoustimac]

This is so much fun. Argent is great at creating false dilemmas, hasty generalizations, and red herrings! Of course everything so far is a major causal fallacy. (sorry...couldn't help springing some logical fallacy types here since Argent's dialog is so full of them!)

 

[ArgentCy]

So what you are saying is that when the state has the money to properly fund education things go better? And this relates to licensing how?

Nope, not at all. Education funding has gone up each and every year regardless of the economy. Pretty consistent straight line up.

 

[ArgentCy]

You making this up? Show the data and something REAL for the reason in the change.

Why don't you show something real as proof that these licenses actually do something good? It's fairly common knowledge to anyone over 40 that Iowa was very highly rated for education in the 80's and early 90's.

 

[Sigmapolis]

So the economy did well during times in which teachers were required to get endorsements?

The greatest period of growth in American history (roughly between 1880 and 1910) occurred when roughly 5% of the population had a high school degree.

Underlying technology and productivity changes are ultimately much more influential. You do not need much book learning to go from an ox team to driving a tractor.

 

[DurangoCy]

That was not stated as a fact. I'm not sure there is such a thing as a fact here in the Cave.

Then what was it? You seem to have all of the answers and your matter of fact tone on an individual that you've never met is very impressive.

Did you ever finish your thought on medical professionals not needing licensing, because the medical companies wouldn't try to cut corners? Or were you too busy complaining that large companies were ruining the appraisal business with computer algorithms, because they were cutting corners?