Perspective on the team and our fanbase

[madguy30]

That's ridiculous. Dok is ripped and has lost probably 30+ pounds since arriving on campus. This is from the preseason.

You think that dude back center looks fat?!? He tore a wrist ligament in a freak collision in practice. His feet and back are just fine. If Kansas had him they'd still be Top 5 in the nation.

 

[AuH2O]

I find it surprising to reference preseason expectations. It’s the least accurate assessment of a season for a reason.

So the team exceeded preseason expectations, only to reset expectations higher, to which now they are underachieving. Makes total sense to me. I think they should lose the next four leading up to the TTU game, thus lowering expectations, only to wildly exceed those lowered expectations by beating TTU. Brilliant.

 

[CyBobby]

The problem with our fanbase...Me Included...is that we are "SPOILED", by the success of this program and we thirst for a regular season conference championship. I am probably one of the few fans still alive who remember the Ken Trickey/Lynn Nance era before Johnny Orr got here....going to games knowing the team would lose along with maybe 2,000 other fans and very few students.....

 

[NWICY]

The problem with our fanbase...Me Included...is that we are "SPOILED", by the success of this program and we thirst for a regular season conference championship. I am probably one of the few fans still alive who remember the Ken Trickey/Lynn Nance era before Johnny Orr got here....going to games knowing the team would lose along with maybe 2,000 other fans and very few students.....

Kudos to you that's a lot of BB you've watched thru the yrs. I remember watching the coaches shows of that era but didn't attend until Johnny came.

 

[Cat Stevens]

So the team exceeded preseason expectations, only to reset expectations higher, to which now they are underachieving. Makes total sense to me. I think they should lose the next four leading up to the TTU game, thus lowering expectations, only to wildly exceed those lowered expectations by beating TTU. Brilliant.

Only when it’s able to be used as an excuse to criticize the coach.

 

[cycjob]

The problem with our fanbase...Me Included...is that we are "SPOILED", by the success of this program and we thirst for a regular season conference championship. I am probably one of the few fans still alive who remember the Ken Trickey/Lynn Nance era before Johnny Orr got here....going to games knowing the team would lose along with maybe 2,000 other fans and very few students.....

I attended ISU at the beginning of the Orr era, but also went to a few games in the preceding years. Never worried about having a ticket. Just walked up to the stadium bought tickets and sat wherever you wanted. Kind of like Oklahoma State now. The start of the Orr era was so much fun. We didn't always win, but it was an exciting brand of basketball to win and when you did win it felt like a big deal.

 

[pdxclone]

Prohm finished at Murray State with a record of 104–29 in four seasons. Yet, criticism on social media is nothing new for Prohm, who said he was also "beat up" by fans when he was at Murray State.

The criticism isn’t limited to CycloneNation. Most are not calling for the AD to fire him, but are frustrated with his rotation of 7 players that doesn’t yield expectations (double digit favorites at Hilton).

 

[Cat Stevens]

Prohm finished at Murray State with a record of 104–29 in four seasons. Yet, criticism on social media is nothing new for Prohm, who said he was also "beat up" by fans when he was at Murray State.

The criticism isn’t limited to CycloneNation. Most are not calling for the AD to fire him, but are frustrated with his rotation of 7 players that doesn’t yield expectations (double digit favorites at Hilton).

So what are you frustrated about when they won road games against rated teams with the same 7 man rotation?

 

[FinalFourCy]

So the team exceeded preseason expectations, only to reset expectations higher, to which now they are underachieving. Makes total sense to me. I think they should lose the next four leading up to the TTU game, thus lowering expectations, only to wildly exceed those lowered expectations by beating TTU. Brilliant.

Which assessment of the quality of team with respect to the conference is more accurate, polls and predictions in September or assessments after 20+ games? I get it, you’re concerned with what the latter may say about the staff. That’s telling, but nevertheless, recall this started by someone alluding to being surprised by mid-February angst over a possible season outcome by referencing an absolutely obsolete guess. That’s some great coping.

Another example of gaming expectations- tank so badly in Year 3 that it lowers preseason expectations for Year 4, which is likely a local peak year the following season. Brilliant.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Which assessment of the quality of team with respect to the conference is more accurate, polls and predictions in September or assessments after 20+ games? I get it, you’re concerned with what the latter may say about the staff. That’s telling, but nevertheless, recall this started by someone alluding to being surprised by mid-February angst over a possible season outcome by referencing an absolute guess. That’s some great coping.

Another example of gaming expectations- tank so badly in Year 3 that it lowers preseason expectations for Year 4, which is likely a local peak year the following season. Brilliant.

Yeah definitely not an agenda against the coach here.

We all know your ass hurts for being exposed as basketball ignorant, but you’re a petulant child who can’t let go looking like a fool.

Take your l or go watch another team

 

[pdxclone]

So what are you frustrated about when they won road games against rated teams with the same 7 man rotation?

You missed the point ... winning at home is a higher expectation than the road. If you are exceeding expectations (winning) why would anyone be frustrated?

 

[Cat Stevens]

You missed the point ... winning at home is a higher expectation than the road. If you are exceeding expectations (winning) why would anyone be frustrated?

No I didn’t miss the point. It’s a tired and sad point here, beaten to death to criticize the coach.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Yeah definitely not an agenda against the coach here.

We all know your ass hurts for being exposed as basketball ignorant, but you’re a petulant child who can’t let go looking like a fool.

Take your l or go watch another team

I hear you, Cat, I hear you.

 

[pdxclone]

No I didn’t miss the point. It’s a tired and sad point here, beaten to death to criticize the coach.

So you would rather the fans go after the players than the coach who is paid $millions? AD just raise FB tickets to pay the coaches more. People spending their hard earned $ to attend sports, movies, etc. and can express their opinions.

 

[jsb]

So you would rather the fans go after the players than the coach who is paid $millions? AD just raise FB tickets to pay the coaches more. People spending their hard earned $ to attend sports, movies, etc. and can express their opinions.

I’d rather the fans go after no one. It’s fine to be upset after 3 home losses, 2 of which weren’t to great teams. But too many fans think that they know what’s up better than anyone. They think that the players don’t care or aren’t trying and don’t care. They think the coach hasn’t thought of a solution. It’s complex and not simple to fix.

We are #14 in NET today. That’s pretty damn good Life’s too short to freak out when we’ve got a solid basketball team.

 

[Cat Stevens]

So you would rather the fans go after the players than the coach who is paid $millions? AD just raise FB tickets to pay the coaches more. People spending their hard earned $ to attend sports, movies, etc. and can express their opinions.

No, it would be better if “fans” showed up after wins. Showing up only after losses Makes it pretty obvious what you’re about.

Also, holding this coach to a standard above what has ever been consistently done in the history of the school, is also a pretty big tell.

 

[ProhmDate]

My main frustration was with the fans. I'll get the situation a little wrong but you get the idea. Baylor was up 2 with the ball and there was 2:00 remaining in the game. The crowd was stone silent. It was really odd. I miss the days where the crowd would give the players something to feed off of. The students would be so loud that Jake Sullivan would pound his hands on the court.

I know the response I'll get, "It was loud at times" or "Give them something to cheer for". I guess it's the chicken or the egg argument.

I also find it odd when fans criticize the players/coach then take serious offense when the silent crowd gets criticized. So. Many. Arms. Crossed.

Our season tickets are at the half court line close to the floor. One of the problems we’ve observed relates to corporate ownership of seating, rather than true fans who pay and sacrifice for the opportunity to see the team play. You never know who is going to be sitting near you in some cases. Beyond that, we need to see team members and/or coaches making an effort to get the crowd involved.

 

[pdxclone]

No, it would be better if “fans” showed up after wins. Showing up only after losses Makes it pretty obvious what you’re about.

Also, holding this coach to a standard above what has ever been consistently done in the history of the school, is also a pretty big tell.

Nice try, this isn’t about me.

So when the coach himself says it is about winning championships and raising the program to new heights, that isn’t raising the bar and expectations? My season tickets said “Defend Hilton” on them. What did yours say?

 

[jsb]

Nice try, this isn’t about me.

So when the coach himself says it is about winning championships and raising the program to new heights, that isn’t raising the bar and expectations? My season tickets said “Defend Hilton” on them. What did yours say?

It’s not like they are trying to lose. And it’s 3 games. I suspect it’s a fluke and/or a flaw with this particular team. They are a little too hyped up or they put too much pressure on themselves at home. Whatever.

Frankly, the 3 big road wins are much more important than the 3 home losses. No one nationally gives a **** about the home losses. They point to the 3 wins. ESPN bubble watch didn’t move us out of lock status. Our NET is up 4 points to 14.

 

[AuH2O]

Which assessment of the quality of team with respect to the conference is more accurate, polls and predictions in September or assessments after 20+ games? I get it, you’re concerned with what the latter may say about the staff. That’s telling, but nevertheless, recall this started by someone alluding to being surprised by mid-February angst over a possible season outcome by referencing an absolutely obsolete guess. That’s some great coping.

Another example of gaming expectations- tank so badly in Year 3 that it lowers preseason expectations for Year 4, which is likely a local peak year the following season. Brilliant.

No, I'm just wondering what the basis is for expectations. Is it a 5 game moving average? Is it the last game? Is it an average of the expectation after each game? My point is at the beginning of the season assuming a healthy LW, a healthy SY, and a healthy and eligible Lard the expectations by fans, media and big12 coaches was below where they sit right now. After the injuries and suspensions that dropped. Then it has oscillated pretty wildly from game to game.
I just want to know at what point in all that you consider to be the actual expectation against which the team is judged.