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I assumed maybe there was something medically wrong with her, or she had done something to not have any more children because of her vanity, although we aren't talking about a medically advanced society. Maybe Qyburn cooked something up for her.

Edit: That's right, Janny remembers Moon Tea.

I'm speculating on the Moon Tea. It would have been available to her, though, and the books set it up that women in the realm will use it to keep from becoming pregnant. Cersei herself thinks the Margaery Tyrell uses it to cover her promiscuity, during her marriage to Tommen.
I'm just saying it's a plausible explanation.
 

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Tyrion would never make it anywhere in Kings Landing. Everyone in the world knows who he is.

Sam is now the leader of a great house but the show will probably never talk about it.

I was thinking the same thing about Tyrion. He's ridiculously recognizable and it's not like there are thousands of dwarfs in King's Landing.

Good point about Sam. Tyrion mentioned not destroying a great house, with no consideration given to Sam.
 

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My updated "Must Die But Not Not Him/Her Lists."

Somebody Kill Him/Her and be Quick About it:
  • Littlefinger
  • Cersei
  • Jamie
  • Sansa
  • Euron
  • Honorable mention: Theron, Melisandre, Sand Skanks (done for sure?)
Don’t You Dare Off Them
  • Jon Snow
  • Ayra
  • Tyrion
  • Davos
  • Samwell
  • Honorable Mention: The Hound, Brienne, Tormund

Meh, if They Die They Die:
  • Bran
  • Miss Bend Your Knee
  • Drogon
  • Varys
  • Bronn
  • Jorah
  • Missandei
  • The Mountain
  • Grey Worm
 

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I'm speculating on the Moon Tea. It would have been available to her, though, and the books set it up that women in the realm will use it to keep from becoming pregnant. Cersei herself thinks the Margaery Tyrell uses it to cover her promiscuity, during her marriage to Tommen.
I'm just saying it's a plausible explanation.

I think you're right. My thought from the books was there have to be lots of women using it. And Margaery got around. All the prostitutes would have a million kids without something.
 

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I've always despised her for it but that may be a more book reader thing. They certainly made her more sympathetic in the show, with her story line being quite different. Her book perspective chapters were pretty painful, as were Dany's.
I've always felt they made Cersei a lot more smarter in the show than the book.

On another note this may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm surprised so many like Jorah. I guess from reading the books it always bugged me how he spent all that time when he first met Dany being so thirsty and wanting to get with her. For heaven's shake she was like 14 and he was like 30 years older than her.

At least they seemed to drop that in the show so he doesn't come off so creepy anymore.
 

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I was thinking the same thing about Tyrion. It's not like there are thousands of dwarfs in King's Landing.

Good point about Sam. Tyrion mentioned not destroying a great house, with no consideration given to Sam.

By law, since Sam took the black, he has no claim to his house any longer. He's legally out of the loop. Becoming head of House Tarly would violate his oath to the Night's Watch.
 

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I've always felt they made Cersei a lot more smarter in the show than the book.

On another note this may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm surprised so many like Jorah. I guess from reading the books it always bugged me how he spent all that time when he first met Dany being so thirsty and wanting to get with her. For heaven's shake she was like 14 and he was like 30 years older than her.

At least they seemed to drop that in the show so he doesn't come off so creepy anymore.

Three characters I couldn't stand from the books that seem popular with the show are Tyrion, Sansa, and Jorah. Jorah was a total creeper, a very uncomfortable character. Shae did not deserve what Tyrion dealt her at all, she didn't have much choice in matters regarding his father. And Tyrion himself looked down on other little people. And just don't get me started with Sansa lol.
 
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Three characters I couldn't stand from the books that seem popular with the show are Tyrion, Sansa, and Jorah. Jorah was a total creeper, a very uncomfortable character. Shae did not deserve what Tyrion dealt her at all, she didn't have much choice in matters regarding his father. And Tyrion himself looked down on other little people. And just don't get me started with Sansa lol.
I get Jorah and Sansa, but Tyrion? He's fascinating as a character in the books.
 

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I've always despised her for it but that may be a more book reader thing. They certainly made her more sympathetic in the show, with her story line being quite different. Her book perspective chapters were pretty painful, as were Dany's.

Her book chapters make me want to choke her out. She cares way more about what dress she can wear to impress Joffrey than her father or sister's safety. She tells Cersei so that Cersei will continue to like her, not because she's being manipulated. It's pretty clearly spelled out in the first book, and then she's all shocked when she gets locked in her tower.
 

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I get Jorah and Sansa, but Tyrion? He's fascinating as a character in the books.

For me, he's a more complex villain, which makes him interesting, but not especially rootable except when making life difficult for a worse villain. The killing of Shae really bothered me. He has an arrogance about him like the other Lannisters. The way he looks down on Penny is appalling, yet he hates that Sansa looks at him in a similar way and she is much younger.
 

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It's to bad Jon doesn't have a giant sled dog that they could use! Just sneak up grab one, tie it to the sled hauling just one person and bolt out of there. But it'd have to be a pretty big dog/wolf and they all seem to have disappeared.
 
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It's to bad Jon doesn't have a giant sled dog that they could use! Just sneak up grab one, tie it to the sled hauling just one person and bolt out of there. But it'd have to be a pretty big dog/wolf and they all seem to have disappeared.

Nymeria would fit right in with that outlaw band.
 
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All the show had to do was show Jamie and Bronn being carried by a fast moving current shedding their armor to make their escape more believable. That is where this show gets me sometimes. For the show creators to be "writers" the gaps and the smash togethers they fill in are the shows weakness, except I do kind of like Arya taking over LSH activities.

But you are OK with dragons and ravens with 3 eyes that a boy can see through and a girl that can all of a sudden change into someone else's body.

Why can't people just like the show and stop being so nitpicky??
 

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For me, he's a more complex villain, which makes him interesting, but not especially rootable except when making life difficult for a worse villain. The killing of Shae really bothered me. He has an arrogance about him like the other Lannisters. The way he looks down on Penny is appalling, yet he hates that Sansa looks at him in a similar way and she is much younger.

Oh, he's definitely hugely conflicted. That's what makes him so fascinating. Penny is a terrible character, one that I'm hugely glad making it into the show, but she does serve a purpose. She forces Tyrion into introspection.
 

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But you are OK with dragons and ravens with 3 eyes that a boy can see through and a girl that can all of a sudden change into someone else's body.

Why can't people just like the show and stop being so nitpicky??

That's a false equivalency, though. The show is based in fantasy, and has established that the magical/fantastical exists, but that regular folks are still bound by the laws of space and time. Unless you're arguing that these characters are traveling via magic, they're breaking their own rules. It's not nitpicky to point out that their timeline is making less and less sense. It's just shoddy writing. It doesn't ruin the show, but it definitely is immersion breaking, and worth discussing.
 

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My updated "Must Die But Not Not Him/Her Lists."

Somebody Kill Him/Her and be Quick About it:
  • Littlefinger - agree it feels like we're having to be reminded that he's sneaky all the time
  • Cersei - I did a huge eye roll with the pregnancy announcement. I do not like this plot move at all. It felt way too soap opera-ish to me. Otherwise, I like having a half-genius/half-maniac villain in play.
  • Jamie - He's still a compelling character to me. I like that there is someone in King's Landing whose loyalty could be wavered.
  • Sansa - I see why people want her gone, but I'd also like to see her mature into Catelyn's role
  • Euron - nah, let him stick around for the lulz
  • Honorable mention: Theron, Melisandre, Sand Skanks (done for sure?) - yeah, wouldn't be missed
Don’t You Dare Off Them
  • Jon Snow - I know he broods and isn't an outstanding actor, but he's easy to root for.
  • Arya - I'll be alone in this, but she was a lot easier for me to like earlier on. Her smugness with her abilities has me feeling ok seeing her knocked down a peg or two. She played the victim better than the conqueror.
  • Tyrion - agree, his scenes rarely leave me disappointed
  • Davos - agree, one of my favorites
  • Samwell - agree, he's made it this far, may as well keep pulling for him
  • Honorable Mention: The Hound, Brienne, Tormund - agree. Even though I'd bet 2 of the three don't make it to the end, there is something about all three that I love.

Meh, if They Die They Die:
  • Bran - maybe Jaime will roll him out of the window?
  • Miss Bend Your Knee - for the storyline, she's the glue for the unsullied, the dragons, and the Dothraki. I don't see her going anywhere unless it happens late in the final season
  • Drogon - I almost root for him to get killed to see the chaos afterwards
  • Varys - with recent events, his specialties seem less and less useful
  • Bronn - disagree, I like his character a lot. Straight forward, self-serving, yet oddly loyal
  • Jorah - I would have been fine seeing him leave with greyscale and being done, but I'll probably pull for him to do one last heroic effort
  • Missandei - yeah, I'm ok if she's not in any more scenes
  • The Mountain - I wanna see a showdown between him and the Hound first
  • Grey Worm - agree

I was with you on most of them, but I had a few differences of opinion.
 

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That's a false equivalency, though. The show is based in fantasy, and has established that the magical/fantastical exists, but that regular folks are still bound by the laws of space and time. Unless you're arguing that these characters are traveling via magic, they're breaking their own rules. It's not nitpicky to point out that their timeline is making less and less sense. It's just shoddy writing. It doesn't ruin the show, but it definitely is immersion breaking, and worth discussing.

I just think the time and travel have and always will be a problem in a show like this and I just never have cared about something as small as "how did they get there so fast". This show especially would be extremely slow moving if they tried harder to make travel realistic.

I don't know, i guess it doesn't be bother me at all.
 

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I just think the time and travel have and always will be a problem in a show like this and I just never have cared about something as small as "how did they get there so fast". This show especially would be extremely slow moving if they tried harder to make travel realistic.

I don't know, i guess it doesn't be bother me at all.

It wasn't as big of an issue early on in the series, but as they accelerate toward the conclusion, it's getting more and more pronounced. I understand why they are doing it, but it doesn't make it any less jarring, and yes sort of insulting. I mean, they're the ones that established the geography that we're dealing with. They show us the map at the start of every episode. I mean, it's a show that's all about tactics, and strategy. So when they have a massive Dotrhaki army suddenly show up way inland, to the west of King's Landing, and don't explain how they got from Dragonstone to that location without being noticed, it's noticeable. Or they have Euron Greyjoy's fleet attack Asha (Yara) and Theon one week, and the next, they've somehow sailed all the way around the continent to attack the unsullied at Casterly Rock. Like I said, it doesn't ruin the show, but it's pretty lazy writing.
 

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It wasn't as big of an issue early on in the series, but as they accelerate toward the conclusion, it's getting more and more pronounced. I understand why they are doing it, but it doesn't make it any less jarring, and yes sort of insulting. I mean, they're the ones that established the geography that we're dealing with. They show us the map at the start of every episode. I mean, it's a show that's all about tactics, and strategy. So when they have a massive Dotrhaki army suddenly show up way inland, to the west of King's Landing, and don't explain how they got from Dragonstone to that location without being noticed, it's noticeable. Or they have Euron Greyjoy's fleet attack Asha (Yara) and Theon one week, and the next, they've somehow sailed all the way around the continent to attack the unsullied at Casterly Rock. Like I said, it doesn't ruin the show, but it's pretty lazy writing.

Well if you understand why they do it, why do you find it insulting? They aren't trying to piss us off, they are just trying to put all of these people together in 15 episodes. So I don't think it's lazy, it's more of a necessity. But I think we just watch the show a bit different it seems. Which is fine.
 

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Well if you understand why they do it, why do you find it insulting? They aren't trying to piss us off, they are just trying to put all of these people together in 15 episodes. So I don't think it's lazy, it's more of a necessity. But I think we just watch the show a bit different it seems. Which is fine.
I agree with Cyclone.TV, but also understand where Janny is coming from. These shortened seasons are because the show writers wanted to/thought they could fill all the storylines and close up everything in 13 episodes.

I don't like that they are making excuses due to other conflicts of actors/actresses, which I'm sure there are, but HBO wanted them to continue with the 10 episode seasons, IIRC. So for them to say they HAVE to do it like this, just doesn't seem 100% true to me. But it(the "time travelling") also doesn't really affect me as I had always felt it was an accelerated speed anyways. We just didn't realize it because we would have 13 other story-lines touched before we return to a specific storyline. They felt that they wanted to finish so it doesn't fall off in quality, but what they were thinking of "quality" was the happenings in the storyline, and possibly didn't realize how quick they would have to make travel to make the story work in the episodes left.

I think this is on D&D and they could have done it better, I think that they wanted to get this done more than anyone with their future endeavors and they know what their ending is already, but idk if they really fully realized how quick they would have to make everything until it was written out and dried on the page.
 

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