A foul is a foul in the rule book. They do so intentionally. I equate intentional fouling with breaking the rules. I sound like a grade-schooler, but to me it's cheating to gain an unfair advantage, knowing they won't call you on it.
*** Official #24 IOWA STATE VS #10 West Virginia Game(Day) Thread ***
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A foul is a foul in the rule book. They do so intentionally. I equate intentional fouling with breaking the rules. I sound like a grade-schooler, but to me it's cheating to gain an unfair advantage, knowing they won't call you on it.
Good call whomever predicted the CSP T. Complete ********* non-call. Was the reffing that bad all half?
That was not basketball. Our team did everything they could for 30 minutes to withstand that travesty but at some point it becomes too much for even good teams to overcome.
At the point in the first half when fouls were ISU:7 and WVU:3, I honestly think a more accurate tally would have been ISU:7, WVU:33. They commit more fouls per minute than any team I've ever seen play and are rarely called for more fouls in their games.
Absolutely ridiculous that Prohm got a T. If he gets a T for standing up for his team just once or twice, Huggins should be kicked out of 100% of all games he coaches within the first five minutes.
At the point in the first half when fouls were ISU:7 and WVU:3, I honestly think a more accurate tally would have been ISU:7, WVU:33. They commit more fouls per minute than any team I've ever seen play and are rarely called for more fouls in their games.
Absolutely ridiculous that Prohm got a T. If he gets a T for standing up for his team just once or twice, Huggins should be kicked out of 100% of all games he coaches within the first five minutes.
For what it's worth my 10-year-old sports nut of a son just stated he'd never play for Huggins....for the reasons we are listing. Now, I know he's ten, but he's been coached well and taught how basketball is supposed to be played. WVU's version is certainly NOT that.
Exactly, it's 100% horrendous incompetence by the officials in MOST of WVU's games, but it's not WVU's fault. It's horrible officiating that they commit 10x more fouls than teams they play but are usually called for less.
It's hard to imagine an example of people being worse at their job than officials in most of WVU's games I've seen. Maybe a traffic cop who pushes civilians in front of oncoming traffic would be doing an equally poor job.
I think we solidly outplayed them in the first half and somehow the score was still WVU up by 1. We should have been up 15-30 points at half if fouls had been called competently...of course then they'd have to adjust and stop fouling.
I equate the foul differential, and even CSP's T to what seems "normal" to the refs. Normal for WVU is the mugging, rugby-like version of basketball, so they only get called if something is over the top. The teams that play them don't play that way, so even a foul that is normal for WVU gets called on their opponent because it's out of character. Hope that even begins to make sense. Huggins could have been called for 10 T's the way he yells at the refs, but he does it so much it honestly doesn't matter anymore. Prohm gets T'd up because he doesn't scream and yell.
It may not be WVU's "fault" but they are certainly perpetuating this reality. Games like this don't exist unless they choose to push the edge. I guess one could look at that as smart to play the system, but I look at it differently.
Any coach who didn't get a T in this game facing that nonsense officiating would be a horrible coach.
I was at the game tonight and I enjoyed the atmosphere at WVU. I have to say the fans around me were great - lots of welcoming comments. I felt that there were stretches that some calls didn't go our way but Monte was gifted 2 FTs when the replay at the stadium showed that he wasn't touched. My take is that we were indeed outplayed and that WVU defense is very good. They move very well laterally and they shut down the passing lanes (and I don't think it was all mugging). ISU has been a finesse team in recent years and some teams manage to get us out of our rhythm which happened tonight. A few other thoughts:
* ISU's margin of error isn't large enough that we can beat elite teams without excellent nights shooting from the field. We shot 38% and made fewer 2pters than 3's. We can't get beaten so bad on boards, not create a ton of turnovers (we did get some tonight), give the ball up on TO's more than usual AND have a below-average night shooting. On top of that the Mountaineers hit some timely 3's.
* Rim protection - Wow. WVU rejected the highest number of layups that I can remember. I remember now why ISU fans were anxious for McKay to start playing. Our lack of height really hurt us.
* Burton turned the ball over on their press a number of times trying to lead someone. Part of me wishes it were Monte back there and not Burton or Bowie but I think Prohm likes their ability to pass over the top of a trap.
* WVU broke our back by continuing to work the ball in the 2nd half and then getting short, easy shots at the end of the shot clock. Excellent execution and patience.
* I have a hard time imagining Jackson, Solomon, Babb and Lard being able to score against that WVU defense next year, when Monte, Matt and Naz struggled to do much other than take long jumpers at the end of the shot clock.
* ISU's margin of error isn't large enough that we can beat elite teams without excellent nights shooting from the field. We shot 38% and made fewer 2pters than 3's. We can't get beaten so bad on boards, not create a ton of turnovers (we did get some tonight), give the ball up on TO's more than usual AND have a below-average night shooting. On top of that the Mountaineers hit some timely 3's.
* Rim protection - Wow. WVU rejected the highest number of layups that I can remember. I remember now why ISU fans were anxious for McKay to start playing. Our lack of height really hurt us.
* Burton turned the ball over on their press a number of times trying to lead someone. Part of me wishes it were Monte back there and not Burton or Bowie but I think Prohm likes their ability to pass over the top of a trap.
* WVU broke our back by continuing to work the ball in the 2nd half and then getting short, easy shots at the end of the shot clock. Excellent execution and patience.
* I have a hard time imagining Jackson, Solomon, Babb and Lard being able to score against that WVU defense next year, when Monte, Matt and Naz struggled to do much other than take long jumpers at the end of the shot clock.
Why would it be a fad when it works so well? Roll your trash players out there, hang all over and grab the opposition for 40 minutes and whine and throw out f bombs. the one time out of 30 the officials grow some balls and call you for what everyone knows is a clear foul. It would be one thing if it was getting a call or working the officials, but its a plan completely predicated on bullying little old men in striped shirts into not calling fouls.
I like our style of play, proud of these guys keep plugging away men.
Huggins is doing his job. The officials are a billion miles from doing their job in most WVU games. I wish teams wouldn't play like this but it's completely on horrendous officiating that they do.
TO be fair Monte spent most of the night getting held so maybe that call was to make up for the holding. They shut down passing lanes because they hold players all game long.
Yeah, that hug at the top of the key to prevent the hand offs.....you can't do that.
I must have missed the part where the guy inbounding the ball fouled somebody...I know, I get it, it's just funny when someone makes an impossible statement and says they're not exaggerating. I do get your point though, I disagree with it, but I understand why you feel that way.
As for adjusting, when we played in the old Big East, it was a much more physical style of basketball. You had to figure out every game how physical the refs would let you play. Even to the point of making adjustments during the game. If the Big 12 refs are going to allow physical play why on earth would you tell your players not to take advantage of that?
As for our baseball analogies, I'll bring up an anecdote. My college coach was 150 years old and oozed wisdom. One game sitting on the bench I complained to my catcher about the strike zone the ump was giving us. My coach overheard me and he told me I could either go to the locker room and look for a replacement umpire or I could figure out what I needed to do to get guys out. All these years and I still remember that like it was yesterday...for good reason. You gotta adjust.
I wonder why they give you "5" fouls...an accident? If a foul is "cheating" I presume you're against fouling somebody about to make an easy layup...or to extend a game when you're down hoping the other team will miss their free throws. Are those cheating and dishonoring the game?
