End of Game Time Breakdown w/ Kneel Down

[RealisticCy]

Here is a better breakdown-

ISU gets the ball with 1:31 left

1st down (1:31)
ISU knees ball
2 seconds run off the game clock, KSU gets a timeout

2nd down (1:29)
ISU knees the ball
2 seconds run off the game clock, plus 39 seconds of play clock (total of 41 seconds)

3rd down (0:48)
ISU knees the ball
2 seconds run off the game clock, plus 40 seconds of play clock (total of 42 seconds)

Delay of game

4th down (0:06)
ISU punts

This is exactly right. Plus, have you ever seen a QB kneel down and toss the ball back to the referee? That is to burn a couple extra seconds while they reset the ball. If this was managed by anyone that can do math and not rely on a chart, there is no reason to run another play.

And for everyone talking about a blocked punt on 4th down. That is a worst case scenario that still gets us to OT, which is a better outcome than what actually happened!

 

[CYKOFAN]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I've seen that for one play, but never three plays and then a punt. If you know of an instance I'll admit I was wrong.

It is much more common, in fact, REGULAR to see a team attempt to get the first down in that situation to avoid the need to punt and effectively ends the game.

Just saying, refer me to a game where a P5 team intentionally ran the ball backward three plays and then punted possession away to the opposing team at the end of a 7 point game.

Sorry, my memory isn't good enough to pinpoint a game for you but if you've never seen a qb run around to take more time off the clock before taking a knee, you need to watch more football. Like I said, had we done that we would never have had to punt or expose the ball carrier to the tacklers.

 

[CyBobby]

Here is a better breakdown-

ISU gets the ball with 1:31 left

1st down (1:31)
ISU knees ball
2 seconds run off the game clock, KSU gets a timeout

2nd down (1:29)
ISU knees the ball
2 seconds run off the game clock, plus 39 seconds of play clock (total of 41 seconds)

3rd down (0:48)
ISU knees the ball
2 seconds run off the game clock, plus 40 seconds of play clock (total of 42 seconds)

Delay of game

4th down (0:06)
ISU punts

Only on 4th down don't Punt run the ball the wrong way thru your end zone and give KState a Safety 2 points as time runs out.............

I've seen Chuck Shelton do this to win a game and its very effective...........

Paul Rhoads has Gotto GOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Jsievers24]

If CPR was trying to get a first down then why are we just running up the middle into a pack?

 

[Dryburn]

Too bad someone couldn't have done a poll on here before that series with about 90 seconds left started.

What should ISU do, knowing K-State has only 1 timeout left.
A) Try and run for a first down, risking a fumble.
B) Take a knee 3 consecutive plays, and punt deep out-of-bounds with a few seconds left on clock, and K-State out of timeouts.

Seriously.......how many would have chosen A besides ISU's coaching staff?

Also, everyone realizes this was K-State's first Big 12 win this year, right? Embarrassing.

 

[Spam]

Play conservative and not to lose the entire second half. Then when it's actually time to play conservative and not to lose by taking a knee, we decide we want to run it down their throats.

 

[Jsievers24]

I don't understand why we didn't just kneel at the very end when it was tied. We had lost all momentum and the coaching staff should have just gone into overtime and regrouped. Lanning was trying to do too much

 

[Thomasrickj]

If CPR was trying to get a first down then why are we just running up the middle into a pack?

Because Rhoads is an idiot that doesn't know what he's doing.

 

[superiorcyclone]

We did not try to drive though. We did not call a timeout. Either go for the win or take a knee.

 

[superiorcyclone]

1:31 left, 1:20 of playclock, a few seconds for slow kneel downs. Worst case long high punt out of bounds game over. Unreal.

 

[BigLame]

We did not try to drive though. We did not call a timeout. Either go for the win or take a knee.

In some bizarre way I think Rhoads attempted to do both.

oh, & Paul - quit ******* blaming the players & using the excuse of not knowing what down it is or blaming a freaking chart. Throw that ******* chart away. This team is young. You fall on your sword for their sake. Don't CYA

 

[brianhos]

I don't understand why we didn't just kneel at the very end when it was tied. We had lost all momentum and the coaching staff should have just gone into overtime and regrouped. Lanning was trying to do too much

Would not have scored in OT anyway, so what did it matter?

 

[khardbored]

Someone please show me a situation where a coach kneeled the ball three times and risked getting a punt blocked when he couldn't run the clock out at the end of the game. Maybe happens all the time but I doubt it.

Every other coach in that situation tries to get a first down to finish off the game. Every one.

Plenty to criticize, but spending as much time on this as some have is just dumb.

I will grant you that. When I first saw the situation, my thought also was "OK, we get a first down here, we win the game." The major coaching blunder in my opinion was not trying the get a first down, but rather giving to Warren for a run up the middle. He has been fumble-prone in the past, and was obviously not in a good state of mind ... very obviously. You have two much better options in a keeper by Lanning (yes, I know he fumbled later) or a give to Thomas with a two-hand fullback style run. (Not to mention since our offensive formation does not give the RB a running start, any run up the gut in an obvious situation is a struggle at best.)

I don't understand why we didn't just kneel at the very end when it was tied. We had lost all momentum and the coaching staff should have just gone into overtime and regrouped. Lanning was trying to do too much

We did not try to drive though. We did not call a timeout. Either go for the win or take a knee.

... and this was the most foolhardy coaching error of them all. We, as a fan base, have griped and griped in the past for CPR not being agressive. So we had 40 seconds and two time outs? I'm fine with them trying to get down in field goal range.... but as soon as Lanning ran for 3 or 4 yards on first down, CALL TIMEOUT!!! (if you're going for it) OR just let the clock run out and take a knee and play for overtime. Lanning should never have been in a situation where he had to run that hurry up play. He should have had the time-out to be coached up, everybody get their blocking assignments, etc. and get the play exactly right.

My goodness it was horrible. I'm not sure if I should be more angry with Sturdy or CPR.

 

[Cyclonepride]

What about the 10 seconds that the clock was stopped for no reason on the kstate drive prior to making their last touchdown? Anyone have an explanation for that?

That saved us from extending into OT and making that disaster last longer.

 

[AdamJGray]

You kneel from shotgun like a lot of teams do. When you do that, it buys you an extra second or two. So a kneel from shotgun could take 3-5 seconds off the clock.

That's probably 10-15 seconds that would have been run off on top of the 1:20 seconds from kneeing it on 2nd/3rd down.

Game would have been over.

 

[Gunnerclone]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I've seen that for one play, but never three plays and then a punt. If you know of an instance I'll admit I was wrong.

It is much more common, in fact, REGULAR to see a team attempt to get the first down in that situation to avoid the need to punt and effectively ends the game.

Just saying, refer me to a game where a P5 team intentionally ran the ball backward three plays and then punted possession away to the opposing team at the end of a 7 point game.

I don't know why you think that just because you've never seen it before that means it was the right decision here.

 

[Rabbuk]

You kneel from shotgun like a lot of teams do. When you do that, it buys you an extra second or two. So a kneel from shotgun could take 3-5 seconds off the clock.

That's probably 10-15 seconds that would have been run off on top of the 1:20 seconds from kneeing it on 2nd/3rd down.

Game would have been over.

If not you just pooch punt it.

 

[chuckd4735]

You kneel from shotgun like a lot of teams do. When you do that, it buys you an extra second or two. So a kneel from shotgun could take 3-5 seconds off the clock.

That's probably 10-15 seconds that would have been run off on top of the 1:20 seconds from kneeing it on 2nd/3rd down.

Game would have been over.

Especially since we do everything from shotgun anyways. Seriously, we had 91 seconds left, and you can burn 80 of those seconds with the play-clock. You had to figure out how to waste 11 seconds with 4 downs. Thats 3 seconds a down.

 

[ISUAlum2002]

Especially since we do everything from shotgun anyways. Seriously, we had 91 seconds left, and you can burn 80 of those seconds with the play-clock. You had to figure out how to waste 11 seconds with 4 downs. Thats 3 seconds a down.

But the chart, man. The chart.

Why do we even pay coaches if they can't make their own damn decisions, anyway?

 

[chuckd4735]

But the chart, man. The chart.

Why do we even pay coaches if they can't make their own damn decisions, anyway?

Yeah, its not as black and white as the chart would depict. There needs to be some thought, and its not hard. 91-80=11. 11/4= <3. Boom. Decision made.