i wonder how this changes the AmesPD breaking up large parties the rest of the week... Do they ask if it's better to break up 300 people and risk riot, or let the party die out?
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Thanks. And that's another problem with just being a bystander in such a situation - one I'm sure that's not lost on anyone.
There's reasons why you pull over for the police car and not join in the chase :wink:
And frankly - I think one should feel the need to get themselves out of there for self preservation.
- You may be linked even though you may not have actively taken part.
- And watching that video you posted, I'd be scared to death to get cracked in the head with one of those flying bottles. And if you did - good luck with getting help quickly.
Good question. I would assume unless there is a need for police presense (fight, medical attention, falling into the streets, etc) then you almost have to let it go. Kids are going to do dumb stuff, the hope is to keep them all separated.
These people love attention. Once you are there, even if you don't do anything, they'll get more brave and fired up. Imagine if there is no one watching, would they get encouragement?
The degree of involvement is different but you're involved. If you are trapped in a bar, although technically you're in the area, you are not involved because the situation force you to be there. If you are on the balcony, chanting and encouraging: then I would classify you as enabler.
Just use common sense because you never know what will happen. If you stay away from these things, you might save yourself a lot of trouble. IF the cops decide to storm and disperse the crowd, don't scream that you are innocent if you get tear-gassed or pepper spray.
I would hope that after last night's events students would be a bit smarter, and not feel the need to start **** again, especially after someone was hurt.
Non-students and out of towners are a different deal, but they themselves can't start a riot without students involved.
What exactly is the difference between telling them to get off the streets and dispersing?:unsure:
One is saying to stay out of the way of traffic. The other is telling them to go home.
Use common sense - if a policeman has to say anything using a bullhorn, you probably aren't in the right spot, regardless of the words he uses.
Unfortunately we are no longer the days “worse thing happening on a school campus†story. The 20 students stabbed at Franklin Regional Senior High School in Murrysville, Pennsylvania this morning pretty much trumps our mini-riot (notwithstanding the student seriously injured in Ames).
What if he says "Attention! You all are great ambassadors to ISU and are doing a great job at life! Continue on with your fun and just remember, I love you all!" ??
They didn't use bullhorns when they were telling us to get off the street. (You're right, I probably shouldn't have been around but I was curious and humans are naturally curious.)
Hard to blame people for standing around. In a situation like this, you can't really blame the group, you have to blame the environment. Something needs to be done to prevent this type of environment. This would happen anywhere a large group of 18-21 year old drunk kids are allowed to assemble. I've been on bus rides where the whole bus starts chanting on a random weekend of the year. Everyone gets to their stop and goes home but when the environment allows this big of a group to assemble, there will be problems.
The bar situation in Ames does not help. Having the bars at 21 kept them all small and limited in number. There isn't enough room for such a gathering to be sheltered in doors and prevent a large mass of people to accrue in the streets. The fence idea makes the most sense to me, but there are people in Campustown that live there and are not 21.
The bar situation in Ames does not help. Having the bars at 21 kept them all small and limited in number. There isn't enough room for such a gathering to be sheltered in doors and prevent a large mass of people to accrue in the streets. The fence idea makes the most sense to me, but there are people in Campustown that live there and are not 21.
It's a symptom vs. underlying root cause debate. It doesn't seem that riots happen in Ames apart from VIESHEA. Is VIESHEA the root cause of the riots, or does VIESHEA just provide a convenient venue for an underlying cause to manifest itself as a riot? Does VIESHEA remove barriers that would normally keep the underlying cause from resulting in riots?
Personally, I hate treating symptoms and not root causes, but until the dynamic is better understood that causes Ames, a city that is relatively peaceful for 51 weeks a year, to become imminently susceptible to rioting during VIESHEA week, I think VIESHEA needs to take a sabbatical. Rioting that causes property damage and injury is not acceptable, even if it requires treating a symptom and not a root cause.
If, as others suggest, rioting breaks out somewhere else with VIESHEA gone, we'll have another data point to assess the underlying cause. It may be that in our culture, certain groups of people in some critical mass cannot be brought together in the presence of alcohol without a riot breaking out. Then again, lots of people come to Ames for FB games, and rioting doesn't break out. It's a very strange situation.
Personally, I hate treating symptoms and not root causes, but until the dynamic is better understood that causes Ames, a city that is relatively peaceful for 51 weeks a year, to become imminently susceptible to rioting during VIESHEA week, I think VIESHEA needs to take a sabbatical. Rioting that causes property damage and injury is not acceptable, even if it requires treating a symptom and not a root cause.
If, as others suggest, rioting breaks out somewhere else with VIESHEA gone, we'll have another data point to assess the underlying cause. It may be that in our culture, certain groups of people in some critical mass cannot be brought together in the presence of alcohol without a riot breaking out. Then again, lots of people come to Ames for FB games, and rioting doesn't break out. It's a very strange situation.
yeah - it's a little f'd up that we have to sit here on a Wednesday morning and rank the priority of "how bad the news is out of our educational institutions"
"It's probably a little bit easier"
lol please man you're missing the entire point of my post. Why in the hell has the trend been to riot during VEISHEA!? You can't prevent a riot no matter where it's at because 99% of the time no one knows there is going to be a riot. When you do know there's a high probability of a riot adequately preparing to dispense of it would be outrageously expensive. That's the point of my post. It's clear, for some stupid reason, that VEISHEA has become an excuse for college kids to get drunk and riot. That is what it is now known for because that's what has happened. If you continue to have VEISHEA then you're basically deciding to do it knowing that there's a decent chance a riot is going to take place. This is why, in my opinion, the University needs to cancel it. It's gone too far. An educational University can't continue to sponsor an event that consistently gets out of control.
Face it folks. What was once a great tradition and great celebration - the largest 100% student run event in the world - has become little more than a drunkfest. Read the posts in this thread before the riot started for proof of intent. Cancel it. It's time has come and gone. It is clear ISU and its student body are not capable of handling it.
What about that game vs Ohio University when we won, tore down the goal posts and carried them to Lake Laverne? Is that not a riot? (Playing devils advocate)
