royals fans gave tons of ***** last year. then they had an extremely crappy start and never ever recovered and the fans gave up.
MLB: Royals on the verge of acquiring James Shields and Wade Davis from the Rays
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royals fans gave tons of ***** last year. then they had an extremely crappy start and never ever recovered and the fans gave up.
i miss meyers already. and i will miss him again when he gets gold gloves and plays in all star games
When you can't develop starting pitching, you always trade bats for arms. Many scouts see Myers as a Nick Markakis type in the Majors. Can he be better than that? Sure, but he can also be worse than that. There was also a lot of concern about him striking out/hitting breaking pitches.
I agree with you here. When Glass first took over the team they did, and to extent, up until Dayton Moore became GM. But, the Royals haven't had anybody lately worth a salary dump. One could argue Greinke, but what we got in return was more than fair market value.
Dayton Moore hit a couple of home runs on trades last year. It's as if he saw the Melky Cabrera fiaso coming, or knew that Guthrie's career could be resurrected...or that a team actually wanted to trade for Jonathan Sanchez! I like this move! I hate to see Myers go (moreso, Odorizzi), but it was necessary to create a revamped and possibly competitive pitching rotation. The important thing is that our core players (Hoz, Moose, Butler, etc.) are still intact. I see much of the same lineup that we had last year. I'm not ready to say the Royals will contend (I may never say that as long as Glass owns this team), but this is a nice step.
Now if we could just get rid of Hochevar. Anybody? ....free, or best offer.... still nobody???
Now if we could just get rid of Hochevar. Anybody? ....free, or best offer.... still nobody???
They could have walked away from Hochevar free and clear by not tendering him an offer a few days ago. For every good move Dayton makes, he's got a couple that just make you go WTF? They can still pay him a fraction of his $4+ million salary if they release him before the season starts which should absolutely be done now.
If the Royals make the playoffs in 2013 and/or 2014, this will probably be considered a good move, unless Myers becomes the next Mike Trout or Odorizzi becomes an ace (that one is pretty doubtful). You have to give up talent to get talent in return. We may have given up alot in an attempt to win now, but as a Royals fan it feels good to see us finally trying to win now.... this is a move with next year in mind instead of 2015. Oh, and we now have 4 new starting pitchers better than any of our starting pitchers last season (before we acquired Guthrie for Sanchez). If nothing else, at least next year will be exciting.
Biggest downside for next year is having to watch Francoeur again.
Biggest downside for next year is having to watch Francoeur again.
but if the Royals are gonna claim Francouer makes up for his bat with his D, Dyson is 10x the OF that Francouer is. Don't be surprised if David Lough gets a real legit shot at playing everyday, either in CF or RF. could be the two hole hitter the Royals have been dying for since Grud left.
After i slept on it, did we give up allot? We sure did, but I like the aggressive approach and the idea to try and win now. That hasn't happened in KC in decades.
+ Santana, + Guthrie for half-season instead of Sanchez, + hopefully healthy Perez and Cain all year, + hopeful improvement from Hosmer and Moustakas, + anyone instead of Frenchy in right (if he sucks like last year again) just might though.
Problem is, I doubt Glass is going to want to sell as he has been making bank off the Royals. And with the new MLB TV deals in place, the value of the franchise will just keep going up.
Spot on! The only way this is a good deal is if the Royals make the playoffs in 2013 or 2014. And if it doesn't happen, it is a horrible trade.
Starting pitching is way way way more important than positional players. As a lifelong royals fan they havent had a decent starting rotation in decades. The core of positional player currently on team are young and very solid. I think easily the best since the 70s and 80s. EVERY position is solid except for RF. RF is not a black hole that keeps you being a good team. I hate to give future talent up but this trade changes the whole current team for better, easily.
It's more of what I would not have done. Don't pay for mediocrity when you're a 75 win team.
- Don't extend Francouer
- Don't extend Chen
- Don't spend $13 mil on a serious injury risk in Santan
- Non-tender Hochevar
That puts me approximately $16 million under the supposed payroll limit of $70 million.
- Sign Sanchez or Edwin Jackson for approximately $15 mil a year
- Package one of Crow/Herrera/Holland with Yordano Ventura for a cost-controlled No.3 or No. 4 type starter.
Go with this rotation until Paulino and Duffy come back.
Sanchez
Guthrie
Mendoza
Pitcher in trade
Odorizzi/Will Smith
The pitching wouldn't be terribly improved, but Myers will be an improvement on 2012 Francouer. If not, then go with Dyson and Cain, and watch how much the pitching magically improves with a great defensive outfield.
Conservatively, you're looking at a 2 win improvement in the pitching staff, and a 2 win improvement from getting rid of Francouer. Just as much as the Royals would get from Shields, and without hamstringing the next offseason budget.
When I first heard the deal I thought this skewed way in Tampa's favor, but now that I have had some time to simmer on it, I don't think it's as lopsided as originally thought. There are alot of factors at play here that made the price for James Sheilds VERY high, mainly because of the number of teams legitamately in the race for him. I am a huge Wil Myers fan and think he will be a 285/35/115 type guy for quite a while, but the Royals really need a top of the rotation guy and Shields is exactly that. He will eat innings and do very well in the Central.
Myers straight up for Shields would have been a pretty fair trade, if no other teams were interested. Odorizi could have been a number 3 type for the Royals this year, but like many have said, they want a number one and they got one of the 10-12 legit number ones out there.
As for Hochever, I think they NEED to move him to the bullpen. He's a guy who threw the ball hard as an amature and might be able to be a real asset in the pen if he is throwing in short bursts with possible closer type potential after a couple of years.
Myers straight up for Shields would have been a pretty fair trade, if no other teams were interested. Odorizi could have been a number 3 type for the Royals this year, but like many have said, they want a number one and they got one of the 10-12 legit number ones out there.
As for Hochever, I think they NEED to move him to the bullpen. He's a guy who threw the ball hard as an amature and might be able to be a real asset in the pen if he is throwing in short bursts with possible closer type potential after a couple of years.
I don't think Glass would be willing to lay out all the cash and years that it will require for Sanchez, which is pretty risky for a team like the Royals with their owner's Walmart mentality. I don't mind Santana at $12 mil since he is only for one year so the longterm risk is minimal. Agree on Frenchy, Chen, and Hochevar, I hate those stupid $5M signings of guys who are no better than a minimum wage minor leaguer.
I think our current rotation (imo it goes Shields, Guthrie, Santana, Davis, then Mendoza/Chen/Hoch) for 2013 is a pretty decent step up from the one you have listed. I don't think the Shields trade hamstrings our budget too much for next offseason though, he will basically be making the same as Sanchez this year and thankfully we won't have to pay Chen, Hoch, or Frenchy in 2014. And if Paulino and Duffy make it back from Tommy John we will hopefully not have to spend significant money next offseason on another SP. But we won't find a RF with Myers upside and low cost either.
Royals bet big, get 'the piece' in James Shields after blockbuster trade with Rays - Yahoo! Sports
Article by Jeff Passan. According to this article and his tweets last night, the trade was good and needed. Still don't understand how this could be bad for KC.
Article by Jeff Passan. According to this article and his tweets last night, the trade was good and needed. Still don't understand how this could be bad for KC.
