Chavez is flat out nuts

[Cyclonepride]

Chavez's bluster surges ahead of vote - Washington Post - MSNBC.com


On Friday, a day when an estimated 200,000 people in Caracas rallied in support of Chavez, officials saw yet one more possible sign of conspiracy. Toilet paper is in short supply -- as are milk, eggs and other staples.
"We know there are sectors hiding toilet paper," Finance Minister Rodrigo Cabezas said on state television. "A group of business leaders are playing mean, playing dirty." He said it was designed to "create the sensation of product shortage during the election."

:twitcy::biggrin::twitcy::biggrin::biglaugh:

 

[iceclone]

A nut perhaps, but he is a surprisingly effective nut. I’m starting to think he’ll be able to demagogue another election victory. El presidente for life! For what it's worth, I don't think he believes any of his own rhetoric, which would make him less of a nut and more of a politician.

 

[cytech]

Now he is saying that if the election votes to get rid of term limit's and it is challenged he will cut off oil shipments to the united states.

 

[herbiedoobie]

This is the reason we should, when Chavez inevitably implodes, wall off Venezuala and never give them a penny of aid. Ever.

Let those idiots suffer for electing Chavez as an example to the rest of the world.

The Romans had some things incredibly right.

 

[alaskaguy]

Now he is saying that if the election votes to get rid of term limit's and it is challenged he will cut off oil shipments to the united states.

How does one cut-off oil shipments to the U.S.? The only possible way is to suspend shipments to the entire world and who will that hurt the most?

To cut-off oil shipments to the U.S. all the other nations on the earth would have to refuse to sell the embargoed oil to the U.S. OR governments would have to enforce a blockade around our borders.

Once oil leaves Venezuela market forces will dictate where the oil goes, not Venezuela. Anyone willing to pay the world price could have all the oil they want.

 

[alaskaguy]

Now he is saying that if the election votes to get rid of term limit's and it is challenged he will cut off oil shipments to the united states.

Actually the threat was conditional on the U.S. sabotaging the election.

Any move to cut off oil supplies to the U.S. is considered highly unlikely. Mr. Chávez has made many similar threats in the past. But cutting off oil shipments to the U.S., by far Venezuela's largest customer, would cause Venezuela much more damage than the U.S., since the only refineries that are equipped to refine Venezuela's heavy, sulfur-laden crude are in the U.S.

Source:
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[alaskaguy]

Polls show that most oppose the national referendum.

However Chevez appointees control the electoral council, which monitors the voter rolls, the voting machines and the ultimate count.

 

[herbiedoobie]

Now, wait a minute. I thought Former President Jimmy Carter validated Chavez' last election as valid....

Are you telling me that their election process might be corrupt? I'm shocked, I say. Shocked!

 

[iceclone]

How does one cut-off oil shipments to the U.S.? The only possible way is to suspend shipments to the entire world and who will that hurt the most?

To cut-off oil shipments to the U.S. all the other nations on the earth would have to refuse to sell the embargoed oil to the U.S. OR governments would have to enforce a blockade around our borders.

Once oil leaves Venezuela market forces will dictate where the oil goes, not Venezuela. Anyone willing to pay the world price could have all the oil they want.

He says he will just turn off the spigot :biglaugh:

His rhetoric is not about being able to follow through with the threat; it is all about making an empty threat to win votes. And it is probably going to work for El Presidente.

 

[iceclone]

Polls show that most oppose the national referendum.

However Chevez appointees control the electoral council, which monitors the voter rolls, the voting machines and the ultimate count.

Now, wait a minute. I thought Former President Jimmy Carter validated Chavez' last election as valid....

Are you telling me that their election process might be corrupt? I'm shocked, I say. Shocked!

He’s demagogue extraordinaire! I have seen little to no evidence to suggest he has needed to resort to direct manipulation of elections in the past. What he will do when he eventually loses support is an open question.

 

[Cyclonepride]

He’s demagogue extraordinaire! I have seen little to no evidence to suggest he has needed to resort to direct manipulation of elections in the past. What he will do when he eventually loses support is an open question.

I don't think there is any question about that at all. Any deviation from his program will result in charges of tampering from some outside source.

 

[alaskaguy]

Now, wait a minute. I thought Former President Jimmy Carter validated Chavez' last election as valid....

Are you telling me that their election process might be corrupt? I'm shocked, I say. Shocked!

You mean the same Jimmy Carter that killed his sister-in-law's cat in 1990?

Here is what Jimmy wrote his sister-in-law after he killed her cat....

"Lamentably, I killed your cat while trying just to sting it. It was crouched, as usual, under one of our bird feeders & I fired from some distance with bird shot. It may ease your grief somewhat to know that the cat was buried properly with a prayer & that I'll be glad to get you another of your choice."

And people complain about the trouble that **** Cheney gets in when he goes hunting.

 

[herbiedoobie]

If I would've known that Carter killed a cat, I wouldn't be as hard on him.

 

[iceclone]

Chavez concedes:

The outcome is a stunning development in a country where Mr. Chávez and his supporters control nearly all of the levers of power. Almost immediately after the results were broadcast on state television, Mr. Chávez conceded defeat, describing the results as a “photo finish.”

“I congratulate my adversaries for this victory,” he said. “For now, we could not do it.”


Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/world/americas/03venezuela.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

 

[iceclone]

I don't think there is any question about that at all. Any deviation from his program will result in charges of tampering from some outside source.

It's too early to say that you were wrong, but so far Mr. Chavez has won convincing election victories, and now gracefully conceded defeat. There is certainly time for him to pull something later, but now seems to have been his best opportunity to challenge the validity of the vote.

 

[jdoggivjc]

It's too early to say that you were wrong, but so far Mr. Chavez has won convincing election victories, and now gracefully conceded defeat. There is certainly time for him to pull something later, but now seems to have been his best opportunity to challenge the validity of the vote.

Well, he's only got until 2012 to get rid of those imposing term limits. I'm sure within the next 5 years he'll have done whatever (and I mean whatever) it takes to ensure that he's in office for the rest of his life.

 

[iceclone]

Well, he's only got until 2012 to get rid of those imposing term limits. I'm sure within the next 5 years he'll have done whatever (and I mean whatever) it takes to ensure that he's in office for the rest of his life.

Why are you so certain? You must have better connections in the Chavez administration than I have.

 

[jdoggivjc]

No - was watching Morning Express on Headline News this morning and they said that, unless Chavez gets the term limits repealed, he will be required to leave office in 2012. Just due to the fact that he's pushing so hard for term limits to be repealed means he has no intention of ever leaving office. And if you think that in the next 5 years he won't try to "convince" the Venezuelan public that it's better for all that he remain in office for life, especially with all of the other "wool-pulling" he's been able to accomplish down there, then you're pretty naive (and IMO, he's going to succeed in this aspect, especially since he has 5 years to do it).

 

[iceclone]

Chavez concedes:

The outcome is a stunning development in a country where Mr. Chávez and his supporters control nearly all of the levers of power. Almost immediately after the results were broadcast on state television, Mr. Chávez conceded defeat, describing the results as a “photo finish.â€￾

“I congratulate my adversaries for this victory,â€￾ he said. “For now, we could not do it.â€￾

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/world/americas/03venezuela.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

No - was watching Morning Express on Headline News this morning and they said that, unless Chavez gets the term limits repealed, he will be required to leave office in 2012. Just due to the fact that he's pushing so hard for term limits to be repealed means he has no intention of ever leaving office. And if you think that in the next 5 years he won't try to "convince" the Venezuelan public that it's better for all that he remain in office for life, especially with all of the other "wool-pulling" he's been able to accomplish down there, then you're pretty naive (and IMO, he's going to succeed in this aspect, especially since he has 5 years to do it).

Of course he will try again. He has already stated that he will (see my original quote that I have now bolded), but you went quite a bit further in your original post, if I understand "he'll have done whatever (and I mean whatever)" correctly.

 

[herbiedoobie]

It will be interesting to see what will happen once his policies start to fail. At what point will his US-bashing quit gaining him political points?

He's already repressed the media in his country. I must admit, I am unaware of what other totalitarian measures he's taken. Sounds like one more thing to research during my unexpected break this Dec-Jan.