*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Mizzoulander]

1. There are degrees of stability. Stability of the most essential members of the conference (OU and UT) and stability of the non-essential members (MU and A&M).

2. You can lose unstable members from an unstable conference and become more stable because the rest of the schools are COMMITTED to the conference.

3. Media is the one that put that out. The conference didn't.

4. EVERY conference has teams with enormous leverage, teams dependent on them and teams with no leverage.

Keep trying. This is fun because it is so easy to poke holes in every one of your arguments.

Poke away...I enjoy hearing what you have to say. :smile:

1. Set aside the fact that UT and OU have shopped around twice in 18 months...to the SAME conference. How many "non-essential" members can you lose before the "essential" members start to evaluate other options." I would argue that a well-run conference treats ALL members as essential, and you build your conference up in a way that schools won't WANT to leave...essential or not.

2. By that rationale, then once WVU leaves, the Big East will become the most stable conference in America. Everybody who is there wants to be there, because they have no place else to go. Was NU always an "unstable" school? Was TAMU? Were they last year when they stayed, or just now when they decided to leave? They were just as committed publically to the B12 as UT and OU are now. How do you KNOW you've rid yourself of all the unstable schools?

3. Ah yes...the media boogeyman. It depends whether you believe Kirk Bohls (who's covered the B12 for a long time) has a legit source in the B12. I do. Surely that source, in going on the record, knew that it would end up in print. Whether or not it's true (and maybe it is) that's just not something that a well-run conference allows to circulate out there.

4. You're absolutely right...every conference has them. So how come those teams with leverage (AL, LSU, FL, tOSU, MI, etc.) in other conferences don't end up running off THEIR own members? Put it another way...Arkansas is clearly not an "essential" member of the SEC. But when the Big 12 tried to gauge their interest in switching leagues, they laughed in conference's face.

Why? Ark. has a shared history with much of the Big 12. If this is a such a great conference, why wouldn't they listen? Do they like losing? Are they just irrational like Missouri?

 

[MaccloNe]

Are you done being a * *** yet?

 

[awd4cy]

Can Missouri just GTFO already. I don't even want them around anymore and they don't want to be around.

 

[weR138]

1. Set aside the fact that UT and OU have shopped around twice in 18 months...to the SAME conference. How many "non-essential" members can you lose before the "essential" members start to evaluate other options." I would argue that a well-run conference treats ALL members as essential, and you build your conference up in a way that schools won't WANT to leave...essential or not.

I'll ask you what I asked all the Nebraska idiots who posted the same stuff last year; What is ISU's recourse?

If you don't have an answer to that question you should take the discussion elsewhere. NU fans (and now, MU fans) are giddy to bring up conference voting as a reason why they're right (for NU fans it's righteous) and ISU deserves what it gets. That's great, **** ISU I guess but you're on an ISU board. You can justify MU's move ad infinitum but if ISU's AQ status is in peril we simply don't care about MU's position. If you're continuing to post to get a rise out of some here that makes you a troll. I think you've made your point as a legit contributor. It's time to leave or provide a reason for us not to begin reporting your posts.

 

[cyman05]

1. Anybody know if anything ever came out of the Big 12 meeting today?

2. I thought the power-Mizzou site claimed that they were leaving today. They couldn't be wrong could they?

3. Some dude for Sporting News is claiming that South Florida might be a darkhorse for the Big 12. Is he making this up? Almost surely. Is it interesting nonetheless? Yes.

Big 12 surprise: USF could be wild card - NCAA Football - Sporting News

4. Sounds like West Virginia to replace Missouri will take place very shortly after Missouri leaves sometime this week.

 

[Mizzoulander]

I'll ask you what I asked all the Nebraska idiots who posted the same stuff last year; What is ISU's recourse?

If you don't have an answer to that question you should take the discussion elsewhere. NU fans (and now, MU fans) are giddy to bring up conference voting as a reason why they're right (for NU fans it's righteous) and ISU deserves what it gets. That's great, **** ISU I guess but you're on an ISU board. You can justify MU's move ad infinitum but if ISU's AQ status is in peril we simply don't care about MU's position. If you're continuing to post to get a rise out of some here that makes you a troll. I think you've made your point as a legit contributor. It's time to leave or provide a reason for us not to begin reporting your posts.

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I don't believe anything MU does puts ISU's AQ status in peril. I'd argue that ISU's recourse (and that of fans in other places) is to become more aware of how conferences treat their members, and to push hard to protect the conference you have. There are those who believe there are no problems within the Big 12. I disagree.

Who am I trying to get a rise out of? Posters ask me questions, I answer them as best I can, and ask others. I thought the Monster Thread was the place to discuss conference realignment and speculation. You don't see me doing a victory dance on ISU.

I don't mind being a lightning rod for criticism of MU. If I posted the same responses under a different ISU handle, would you still take offense?

I don't see a lot of posters from other schools around here, and maybe that's not what you guys do. That's OK...it's your board. You SHOULD be able to report me and have me banned if I'm interfering with the enjoyment of the board.

 

[CrossCyed]

Meeting is still happening.

 

[gocubs2118]

1. Anybody know if anything ever came out of the Big 12 meeting today?

2. I thought the power-Mizzou site claimed that they were leaving today. They couldn't be wrong could they?

3. Some dude for Sporting News is claiming that South Florida might be a darkhorse for the Big 12. Is he making this up? Almost surely. Is it interesting nonetheless? Yes.

Big 12 surprise: USF could be wild card - NCAA Football - Sporting News

4. Sounds like West Virginia to replace Missouri will take place very shortly after Missouri leaves sometime this week.

I'm pretty sure the Big XII meeting is still going on right now.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Poke away...I enjoy hearing what you have to say. :smile:

1. Set aside the fact that UT and OU have shopped around twice in 18 months...to the SAME conference. How many "non-essential" members can you lose before the "essential" members start to evaluate other options." I would argue that a well-run conference treats ALL members as essential, and you build your conference up in a way that schools won't WANT to leave...essential or not.

2. By that rationale, then once WVU leaves, the Big East will become the most stable conference in America. Everybody who is there wants to be there, because they have no place else to go. Was NU always an "unstable" school? Was TAMU? Were they last year when they stayed, or just now when they decided to leave? They were just as committed publically to the B12 as UT and OU are now. How do you KNOW you've rid yourself of all the unstable schools?

3. Ah yes...the media boogeyman. It depends whether you believe Kirk Bohls (who's covered the B12 for a long time) has a legit source in the B12. I do. Surely that source, in going on the record, knew that it would end up in print. Whether or not it's true (and maybe it is) that's just not something that a well-run conference allows to circulate out there.

4. You're absolutely right...every conference has them. So how come those teams with leverage (AL, LSU, FL, tOSU, MI, etc.) in other conferences don't end up running off THEIR own members? Put it another way...Arkansas is clearly not an "essential" member of the SEC. But when the Big 12 tried to gauge their interest in switching leagues, they laughed in conference's face.

Why? Ark. has a shared history with much of the Big 12. If this is a such a great conference, why wouldn't they listen? Do they like losing? Are they just irrational like Missouri?

1. They have evaluated other options and they understand that it is in their best interest to stay in the Big 12. The Big 12 is understanding that now and they are treating all of their members as essential. Even Missouri. Missouri is just too blinded to realize it. However, don't mistake how teams are treated for how essential teams are. Big 12 could lose ISU tomorrow and run without a hitch.

2. No, Big East is not as stable because UConn, Rutgers and Louisville are still left and they want to upgrade. However, I STILL don't believe that the Big East will fall. The schools that I have said that were unstable before this all began were MU and A&M. I have never thought UT has wanted to leave the Big 12 for a second and until Boren made his statement, I thought the same about OU. Now after reflecting on what happened during that time, I once again believe that OU believes it is in their best interest to stay in the Big 12 and no other conference will give them as good of a deal as this conference. EVERYTHING I have read or heard from all of the major sources have said that OU is committed to the Big 12.

3. Every organization has leaked things. The SEC has leaked stupid statements. Using that as evidence that the conference is unstable is laughable. If it is not an official conference statement, then you have to filter everything that is written and take it with a grain of salt. But you automatically take everything out of context.

4. Because the Big 12 IN THE PAST has had problems. I have admitted that. But they have FIXED those problems. Missouri just doesn't want to hear it. Arkansas has no history with the Big 12 CONFERENCE. They are members of the SEC. They don't run when they can't work out issues (like some others I know).

 

[cyman05]

HoopsTournament, be careful if you try to argue reasonably with him. He doesn't quite think straight. I stopped responding to him long ago because he always has some sort of a nonsense comment in return.

 

[BuzzBuzzBuzz]

It looks like we're going to have to get a restraining order against Mizzou... Your stuff's on the lawn - pick it up and get going already!

 

[CrossCyed]

Houston to meet regarding conference alignment on Thursday. Wonder if they finally got that Big East invite.

 

[CysRage]

Houston to meet regarding conference alignment on Thursday. Wonder if they finally got that Big East invite.

The losers from that pathetic excuse for a message board (cough* cough* tigerboard) thinks that its because of a Big 12 invite. In your dreams Missery fans. Carry on with your SEC wet dreams.

 

[ISUcy08]

Meeting is still happening.

Who's is meeting right now? Mizzou people, or Big 12? i'm out of the loop today.

 

[CrossCyed]

In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.

The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.

 

[Judoka]

In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.

The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.

Source?

 

[CyFan61]

In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.

The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.

Can someone tell me why we even let TAMU in on this meeting?

 

[CyFan61]

Source?

It was tweeted by @Big12Conference

 

[CrossCyed]

Can someone tell me why we even let TAMU in on this meeting?

Probably to tell them to give us our money.

 

[alarson]

In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.

The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.

whoa. did not expect this.