JTS expansion

IceCyIce

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The suites took out a lot of seating. That number is accurate. This is why there were games last year that pretty much full stands, some folks on the hills and attendance of ~43K.

60,000 would mean an upper level to the bowl. A lower bowl would be a little over 50,000. I think you build the lower bowl with the ability to add the upper.

It's almost impossible for ISU to average 60,000 fans/game with Iowa averaging 70,000. That's 130,000 Iowans at a college football game about 4 weekends a year. Out of 3,000,000, it seems tough. IMO if we built 60,000 we'd fill it up sometimes, but unless we got really really good, and Iowa got really bad, it would be hard to fill week in and week out.

Can you imagine if IA and ISU merged and created the Iowa Cyclones. We bring both our fanbase to a brand new 150,000 seat stadium in Williamsburg IA. We would be the envy of the entire nation.
 

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Can you imagine if IA and ISU merged and created the Iowa Cyclones. We bring both our fanbase to a brand new 150,000 seat stadium in Williamsburg IA. We would be the envy of the entire nation.

Yeah for a State our population size we probably should only have 1 BCS football school. Just like Nebraska, Wisconsin, Missouri, Arkansas, Minnesota, etc. If you put both ISU & Iowa's resources (donations, facilities, fan support, etc.) together would be a hell of an Athletic Department.
 

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I think a key to revenue generation is a large Club Section that anyone can enter for a fee and consume alcohol.........booze makes big money.

Fantastic idea, but isn't there an NCAA rule prohibiting general public beer sales during events held on campus?
 

TheHelgo

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Creighton basketball serves alcohol. The Farmageddon game in KC sold alcohol as well.

Arrowhead is certainly not on any NCAA college campus. I'm not sure if Creighton's arena is 'on campus' or not. The rule only applies to on campus NCAA events. I just remember the hubub about this back in the 90s when the rule became official. However, I don't know if it is still the case or not.
 

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Whoa, that IS interesting. Do you know anyone at FP&M that you could ask about the removal?

Otherwise, I'm just going to start wildly speculating. Pirate gold is buried under JTS, and only the plans for the stadium expansion show the exact location where it's buried!

I guess I would take it as more of a bad sign than a good sign.
 

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Arrowhead is certainly not on any NCAA college campus. I'm not sure if Creighton's arena is 'on campus' or not. The rule only applies to on campus NCAA events. I just remember the hubub about this back in the 90s when the rule became official. However, I don't know if it is still the case or not.
The Qwest Center is not on Creighton's campus. It is owned by the city of Omaha.
 

theshadow

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Fantastic idea, but isn't there an NCAA rule prohibiting general public beer sales during events held on campus?

The only limitations are during NCAA championship events.

31.1.15 Availability of Alcoholic Beverages.
Alcoholic beverages shall not be sold or otherwise made available for public consumption at any championship event sponsored by or administered by the Association, nor shall any such beverages be brought to the site during the championship (during the period from the time access to the site is available to spectators until all patrons have left the facility or area used for competition).
 
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Bipolarcy

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Not disagreeing but within a couple of years of moving into JTS, Earle Bruce fielded what are arguably the best ISU football teams ever. If we are going to expand, we should plan for success and go to 65-70k seating capacity. I think a key to revenue generation is a large Club Section that anyone can enter for a fee and consume alcohol.........booze makes big money.


Don't they already allow booze in the suites? In fact, don't they furnish the booze, along with a gameday buffet, as part of the annual cost of renting one of the suites. I know some schools do.

But I see what you're saying about the Club Section.

And I agree that they should think big on the expansion. All these shrinking violets who cringe at the thought of a 70,000 to 75,000 seat stadium at ISU need to get out of their raccoon coats and step out of the 1950s into the modern world. Even a 75,000 seat stadium would be small now days compared to other BCS schools. If we want to be big time, we have to quit thinking small potatoes.
 

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Don't they already allow booze in the suites? In fact, don't they furnish the booze, along with a gameday buffet, as part of the annual cost of renting one of the suites. I know some schools do.

But I see what you're saying about the Club Section.

And I agree that they should think big on the expansion. All these shrinking violets who cringe at the thought of a 70,000 to 75,000 seat stadium at ISU need to get out of their raccoon coats and step out of the 1950s into the modern world. Even a 75,000 seat stadium would be small now days compared to other BCS schools. If we want to be big time, we have to quit thinking small potatoes.

I agree that they need to think big, but i don't know that that necessarily means more seats. I think it means think outside the box. What could we do that would make us unique? Party decks? Restaurant? Adult lounge? Etc etc.

To me, I don't see the need to go bigger than 60k with this expansion. Let's add a few seats, and do something different that brings people in to fill all those seats.

Then, in the future, if we start selling out, do something else to add more seats. We still have the North Endzone, or even adding a 3rd deck on the east side.
 
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I know they sell beer in the club section now or at least they did a year ago.
 

Bipolarcy

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I don't know how expanding to 60k can be justified when the stadium is only occasionally sold out as is.


What difference does that make? The point is if you have a 70,000 seat stadium, you can sell 70,000 tickets. If you have a 50,000 seat stadium, you can only sell 50,000 tickets. Everyone knows we won't sell out every game, but we are turning away money by not having a bigger stadium for those games where we COULD sell 70,000 tickets (Iowa, UNI, Texas and maybe some others in a year where we have a good team).

If we only had two games a year where we could sell 70,000 tickets, but only have 50,000 seats, at $50 a seat, that's $2 million a year we're turning down because we don't have enough seats. Can we afford to turn away $2 million a year ($1 million if you figure a 60,000 seat capacity)? And that's only for TWO games.

Besides, I'm of the opinion, which is supported by the history of the program, that if we build it, the fans will come. Every stadium expansion in ISU history has been followed by a corresponding increase in ticket sales.

How many people don't come right now because they think it's sold out because it's such a small stadium or don't come because they think it will be too crowded?
 

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I haven't seen it mentioned in any other thread yet, so thought I'd throw it in here -

Man has apparently triumphed over 'immovable' object, as the North Goal Posts are not where they should be. Was this planned, or a construction accident? The turf around the goal post area doesn't look damaged at all.
 

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theshadow

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the North Goal Posts are not where they should be. Was this planned, or a construction accident? The turf around the goal post area doesn't look damaged at all.

The workers celebrated the truss lift by dismantling the posts and throwing them in Lake Laverne.
 
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