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Thankfully the powers that be realize that under the current situation spending limited dollars to bowl in JTF is not a good use of these funds and that these funds are better spent on other itmes.

This is an ignorant statement.

The only reason that the current end zone plans maintain the same capacity is because the current mindset is that they build a little at a time--the lower deck now, the upper when they have funds.

Increasing seating capacity, unlike a great many other "items", actually increases revenue. You cannot sell seats that you don't have. Even wedging people into the hillsides has a strictly limited capacity. Increased revenue pays for those "other items"--as a future revenue stream.
 

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whoever said hillside tickets should only be overflow = correct. Don't sell hillside tickets until all the other tickets are sold.

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This is an ignorant statement.

The only reason that the current end zone plans maintain the same capacity is because the current mindset is that they build a little at a time--the lower deck now, the upper when they have funds.

Increasing seating capacity, unlike a great many other "items", actually increases revenue. You cannot sell seats that you don't have. Even wedging people into the hillsides has a strictly limited capacity. Increased revenue pays for those "other items"--as a future revenue stream.

How about ISU starts selling the seats that they do have first. Increasing capacity does not increase revenue if those seats remain empty.

Call the powers that be ignorant all you want, it still does not change the current situation and the decision by the powers that be that currently bowling in the endzone is not the best use of limited funds.
 

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How about ISU starts selling the seats that they do have first. Increasing capacity does not increase revenue if those seats remain empty.

We have sold more tickets than we have actual seats (43k) for a long time. Even this year, which is a down year attendance wise for us, we have done that.
 

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whoever said hillside tickets should only be overflow = correct. Don't sell hillside tickets until all the other tickets are sold.

:smile:

that would be stupid...many families with young kids prefer this option because its much cheaper than spending 30-40 bucks (maybe more) to buy seats in the actual stands. the kids enjoy being able to play catch and run around on the hillside seats as well
 

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We have sold more tickets than we have actual seats (43k) for a long time. Even this year, which is a down year attendance wise for us, we have done that.
Not each and every game. You are talking averages. Basically taking sales from a couple big games and spreading them out to other games. Every game I have been to this year there has been at least 5,000-7,000 empty seats.

What ever, it really doesn't matter you can continue to debate it all you want but in the end the decision has been made to not bowl in the S. endzone at present as those funds are better spent on other items. That's a fact Jack.

Do you guys really think that JP and ISU haven't given this a long hard look and have done studies and have come to this realization, but yet you keep debating it. Don't you think they really want to bowl in the S. endzone but are smart enough to realize that at time being it does not make sence. It's not my decision it is ISU decision and I have been saying this from day one. Keep on hating.
 

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Will you please explain.....
Why we catch soo much heat from the local media and hawk fans about attendance when we have been selling more tickets than we have seats?
 

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Will you please explain.....
Why we catch soo much heat from the local media and hawk fans about attendance when we have been selling more tickets than we have seats?

Because ISU hasn't. It's a shell game of averages. There has not been one game yet this year where every seat has been sold at JTS.
 

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Not each and every game. You are talking averages. Basically taking sales from a couple big games and spreading them out to other games. Every game I have been to this year there has been at least 5,000-7,000 empty seats.

What ever, it really doesn't matter you can continue to debate it all you want but in the end the decision has been made to not bowl in the S. endzone at present as those funds are better spent on other items. That's a fact Jack.

Do you guys really think that JP and ISU haven't given this a long hard look and have done studies and have come to this realization, but yet you keep debating it. Don't you think they really want to bowl in the S. endzone but are smart enough to realize that at time being it does not make sence. It's not my decision it is ISU decision and I have been saying this from day one. Keep on hating.

A lot of those seats are coming form the visitor section. From my angle, in the student section, the opposite section of me in the corner while has some empty seats, its no where as empty as in previous seasons that I have seen. I would estimate that maybe that section is short 500 people. I assume that the student section is packed, even if the student section corner is bare, the students like to pack themselves in the lower section possibly leaving those seats open. I cannot see the corner of the stadium opposite of the visitors, but I would assume it is the same as the adjacent corner.

Quite frankly, I don't care if we don't fill up our stadium for every game, as long as its 95% full on average, I'm fine. This leaves room for the big games and to added revenue that those games bring.
 

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What I find funny... No, what I find hilarious, is that though there are 20,000 threads asking about the south endzone, start one and the people who hate it will be there about 2minutes later explaining why it is a bad idea to have a bowled in field, even if the thread is just asking about the status of the project.


One of these days, I'm going to start 3 threads at exactly the same time and see which one has both haters and fanboyz in it first. The first will be asking about the status of the stadium. The second will be something to do with the Hawks. The third will ask why Coach McD can't get any wins for our basketball team.

Seneca Wallace.
 

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because our stadium still looks empty
right! So get people in the seats and then sell the hill side tickets. Lower the prices of the corner upper deck if their afraid of people not purchasing because of price. As far as I'm concerned all the tickets are too high priced anyway.
 

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right! So get people in the seats and then sell the hill side tickets. Lower the prices of the corner upper deck if their afraid of people not purchasing because of price. As far as I'm concerned all the tickets are too high priced anyway.

I'm pretty sure that our ticket prices are average in the big 12. In end zone, but also to pay the coaches, small facilities upgrades and so forth.
 

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Because ISU hasn't. It's a shell game of averages. There has not been one game yet this year where every seat has been sold at JTS.

I was just going off the numbers from wikipedia and thinking we have 42,500 actual seats

Northern Illinois Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA 43,116[2]
Northern Iowa Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA 48,874[5]
Texas Tech Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA 43,162[6]
#10*Utah Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA 43,195[7]
 

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where are you getting 42,500 from? wikipedia says our stadium holds 55K

Capacity includes the hill sides. I think the stadium held 45k before the suites were added in the lower part of the stadium. From what I hear, our stadium had a 45k capacity and when we started selling hill side tickets the capacity rose to 55k. The suites took some seats out, thats were the roughly 43k comes from.
 

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Not each and every game. You are talking averages. Basically taking sales from a couple big games and spreading them out to other games. Every game I have been to this year there has been at least 5,000-7,000 empty seats.
and who says it has to be each and every game? NOBODY waits to build more until theyre selling out every single game. And actually, EVERY game this year we have had 43k or more. Last year we had 43k or more in all but 2 games. In 08 it was all but one. You leave money on the table when you dont build to actual capacity, and its far past time that we stopped using overflow seating when we consistently meet or exceed our actual seating capacity.

What ever, it really doesn't matter you can continue to debate it all you want but in the end the decision has been made to not bowl in the S. endzone at present as those funds are better spent on other items. That's a fact Jack.
nobody is debating this

Do you guys really think that JP and ISU haven't given this a long hard look and have done studies and have come to this realization, but yet you keep debating it. Don't you think they really want to bowl in the S. endzone but are smart enough to realize that at time being it does not make sence. It's not my decision it is ISU decision and I have been saying this from day one. Keep on hating.

Its still in the plans, just out a few years. They obviously see the value, the financial situation for the right donor probably isnt right at this point in time.