Should GMac be retained

[NobodyBeatsCy]

In the poll a couple of days ago, I said give him two years. However, as a previous poster wrote, If we have to start from scratch every year with new players (thus affording him the excuse of having to re-build every year), lets just rebuild everything.

(Gosh, I hope I've bought enough tickets to have an opinion)

 

[CrossCyed]

People are pretty ****** about two role players leaving.

 

[cc1091]

I don't think I will answer this poll as I will gave the same answer now that I would have given after season #1 with no returning Mike Taylor, but back then it was only "time to start looking", not "OMG, we need a new coach NOW!".
The real question should be: Since we can't get rid of Coach McD, then why not fire the guy who hired him?
It seems certain that someone should at least step down. Who's it going to be?

 

[Drive4cy]

People are pretty ****** about two role players leaving.

They might be role players from a talent standpoint (compared to other Big 12 teams) but one was a starter with 2 years of eligibility left. That's a pretty big deal, considering our lack of front court going into next year. JVB will be playing 37 minutes a game next year.

That's not good.

 

[CrossCyed]

Neither guy was going to lead us to glory in the Big 12.

I'm really surprised at how many opinions this has switched, two role players leaving compared to four years of mediocre basketball. How was this the final straw for so many? Why are people not completely ****** at Hamilton and Buckley, after they chastise so many other players that transfer for "not being true Cyclones"?

ISU basketball fans are an odd group.

I guess I was never really a fan of either player though, and I'm excited to see what Railey can do, actually. We know next season is going to be another mulligan, so let's let our young guys play a lot.

Let's use one of the three open schollies (two if we get Wilkins) just to pick up an enforcer type player (like a Homan).

 

[CloneIce]

People are pretty ****** about two role players leaving.

You think Hamilton would be a role player the next two years? NO.

 

[acody]

I don't think I will answer this poll as I will gave the same answer now that I would have given after season #1 with no returning Mike Taylor, but back then it was only "time to start looking", not "OMG, we need a new coach NOW!".
The real question should be: Since we can't get rid of Coach McD, then why not fire the guy who hired him?
It seems certain that someone should at least step down. Who's it going to be?

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!:yes:

 

[mkadl]

Neither guy was going to lead us to glory in the Big 12.

ISU basketball fans are an odd group.

I guess I was never really a fan of either player though, and I'm excited to see what Railey can do, actually. We know next season is going to be another mulligan, so let's let our young guys play a lot.

Let's use one of the three open schollies (two if we get Wilkins) just to pick up an enforcer type player (like a Homan).

I can't wait for Nebraska to kick us around next year. I will buy tickets in 2011.

 

[CrossCyed]

You think Hamilton would be a role player the next two years? NO.

He wasn't as good as people made him out to be this year, he would have had to keep developing, which we've never really seen out of McDermott (whether due to attrition or plateauing).

He would have started, but he would have also needed to quit playing like he was 6-2.

 

[ajk4st8]

Neither guy was going to lead us to glory in the Big 12.

I'm really surprised at how many opinions this has switched, two role players leaving compared to four years of mediocre basketball. How was this the final straw for so many? Why are people not completely ****** at Hamilton and Buckley, after they chastise so many other players that transfer for "not being true Cyclones"?

ISU basketball fans are an odd group.

I guess I was never really a fan of either player though, and I'm excited to see what Railey can do, actually. We know next season is going to be another mulligan, so let's let our young guys play a lot.

Let's use one of the three open schollies (two if we get Wilkins) just to pick up an enforcer type player (like a Homan).

Most fans are ****** that they were here in the first place.. or should be.

 

[trevn]

People are pretty ****** about two role players leaving.

This is why I'm ******

Dodie Dunson
Cory Johnson
Wesley Johnson
Corey McIntosh
Mike Taylor
Craig Brackins
Marcus Brister
Lucca Staiger
Clayton Vette
Dominique Buckley
We Eikmeier
Justin Hamilton
Clinton Mann
L.A. Pomlee

21 players have committed to playing for ISU since 2006. 14 have been dismissed, transferred, or quit (except Craig, who left early for the NBA).

 

[Clone5]

Neither guy was going to lead us to glory in the Big 12.

I'm really surprised at how many opinions this has switched, two role players leaving compared to four years of mediocre basketball. How was this the final straw for so many? Why are people not completely ****** at Hamilton and Buckley, after they chastise so many other players that transfer for "not being true Cyclones"?

ISU basketball fans are an odd group.

I guess I was never really a fan of either player though, and I'm excited to see what Railey can do, actually. We know next season is going to be another mulligan, so let's let our young guys play a lot.

Let's use one of the three open schollies (two if we get Wilkins) just to pick up an enforcer type player (like a Homan).

I'm with you. People act like Hamilton was our next Jared Homan when in reality he wasn't going to be close to the kind of physical player Homan was. As long as Ham was our starting center we weren't going to be an above average team. This is why I don't get mad about players leaving the program not named Brackins, Gilstrap, Taylor, or Wesley Johnson. I know role players are very important but they key for this program will be landing some like the four I named again. I highly doubt we can do it.

 

[ajk4st8]

This is why I'm ******

Dodie Dunson
Cory Johnson
Wesley Johnson
Corey McIntosh
Mike Taylor
Craig Brackins
Marcus Brister
Lucca Staiger
Clayton Vette
Dominique Buckley
We Eikmeier
Justin Hamilton
Clinton Mann
L.A. Pomlee

21 players have committed to playing for ISU since 2006. 14 have been dismissed, transferred, or quit (except Craig, who left early for the NBA).

10 of those 14 had no business being recruited to play Big 12 basketball.

 

[CrossCyed]

This is why I'm ******

Dodie Dunson
Cory Johnson
Wesley Johnson
Corey McIntosh
Mike Taylor
Craig Brackins
Marcus Brister
Lucca Staiger
Clayton Vette
Dominique Buckley
We Eikmeier
Justin Hamilton
Clinton Mann
L.A. Pomlee

21 players have committed to playing for ISU since 2006. 14 have been dismissed, transferred, or quit (except Craig, who left early for the NBA).

My point was that I don't know why this pair of defections was the backbreaker.

 

[Clone5]

10 of those 14 had no business being recruited to play Big 12 basketball.

And that my friends is the real problem... Well that and the lack of improvement among players, in-game coaching, and Wesley Johnson leaving.

 

[gocubs2118]

My point was that I don't know why this pair of defections was the backbreaker.

One was our starting center and now we have no one at that position that is a down low player.

 

[Cyclone62]

My point was that I don't know why this pair of defections was the backbreaker.

My best bet is that it's the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[Clone5]

One was our starting center and now we have no one at that position that is a down low player.

I think we can find somebody that can get us 6 points and 5 boards a game.

 

[mkadl]

My point was that I don't know why this pair of defections was the backbreaker.

7 schollie players playing at the end of the season. Now it is 5. No bodies with any experience inside. (maybe JV) Coach has been rebuilding for several years. My patience is dwindling. I will watch next year with little expectation of success. Any win next year is an upset in my book. GO STATE!!!

 

[trevn]

My point was that I don't know why this pair of defections was the backbreaker.

My point is it's not "who" is leaving the program today. It's the fact that Ham and Buckley are #13 and #14 to leave the program early. Like most Cyclone fans, I was willing to give Mac the benefit of the doubt until this season. We were actually supposed to be good this season with a lot of players returning for once. Now, 3 months later, we had a terrible season and more players are leaving. High expectations + terrible season + a lot of defections at the end of the season = ****** off Cyclone fans. For a lot of people (myself included) today was the final straw.