Shut up about Wayne Morgan

[nickwc]

the first couple years he didn't realize what it took to succeed here. he didn't hire a top notch recruiter when he first came here either. i think he has figured it out. he now hired DROB. I'm going to say that you were one of the guys that said look at his past, he wins everywhere he goes and in his third year he improves such and such, well maybe it will take a bit longer. but i believe, just because you don't, doesn't mean he won't win games here.

Not his fault colvin threw a pass between craig's legs, not his fault that gilstrap came out sooo flat, and almost acted like he didn't care.

how bout focus on the positives and talk about how hamilton is becoming a real player. greg's coaching is not the downfall of this team.

 

[Spam]

McD can't recruit, motivate, retain, train, strategize, discipline or win.
But that's not his fault. He is a GREAT coach.

 

[marothisu]

the first couple years he didn't realize what it took to succeed here. he didn't hire a top notch recruiter when he first came here either. i think he has figured it out. he now hired DROB. I'm going to say that you were one of the guys that said look at his past, he wins everywhere he goes and in his third year he improves such and such, well maybe it will take a bit longer. but i believe, just because you don't, doesn't mean he won't win games here.

Not his fault colvin threw a pass between craig's legs, not his fault that gilstrap came out sooo flat, and almost acted like he didn't care.

how bout focus on the positives and talk about how hamilton is becoming a real player. greg's coaching is not the downfall of this team.

:biglaugh::biglaugh: We're currently 2-9 in Big 12 play, there's no excuses. He's in year four, no other coach gets this pass "I don't know what it takes to win in the Big 12." Even if that's a valid excuse for the first two years, which it's not, it's not one for the last two.

And yes, we had a great recruiter originally. how the **** do you think we got craig brackins in his second year? Brackins was a five star and a top 25 player. We also got DG, who was top 130 nationally.



Do a little research on him, he wasn't even THAT great at UNI. He was 49-41 in conference play in the MVC in something like six seasons. He's really not as great as you think.


Listen, this is a business. You don't pay a guy almost $1 million a year to sit around for two years and say "Well, I don't know what it takes...but I'm going to get rich doing it." I hope you don't own a business. There's no excuses for this, you think Mike Anderson had this excuse? NO...there's no ******* excuses for this. If the previous years were like the first year, I'd say okay this year...whatever. However, it's been the same every year with him.

He has been the WORST COACH since Lynn ******* Nance of the mid 70s. That's over 30 seasons. Give me a break!

 

[nickwc]

you guys have to be kidding me, i'm embarrassed as the next person that we are losing all these games. I was at the game tonight, and man was i bummed. every person i left the game with heard me ******** and moaning all the way to the car, but you know what? if scotty knocks down the three and we tie the game and go on to win, no one is complaining and is saying that mac got a good win. instead missing, and having to call a timeout to and getting a good press on and forcing a turnover (as much coaching as it was talent on the court) we got a second chance, only for our player to throw a bounce pass through the legs of our 6'10'' player and expect him to gather it cleanly and get a shot off.

get real cyclone fans.

 

[marothisu]

Let's also not forget all the players who left the program:
Wes Johnson
Corey McIntosh
Dodie Dunson
Ross Marsden
Cory Johnson
Cameron Lee
Clayton Vette
Marcus Brister
Wes Eikmeier
Clinton Mann
Lucca Staiger

The players who were kicked off the team:
Mike Taylor
L.A. Pomlee


Since GMac first started, 36 unique players have played for him.13 of them have either quit the program or kicked off. Meaning, over 36% of all players to play for GMac have left the program they originally bought into.

Yeah, that's really great..it's one thing when it's one or two players, but 13 of 36? .........................................

 

[nickwc]

keep editing your posts, god forbid you didn't know what you were talking about.

 

[nickwc]

Let's also not forget all the players who left the program:
Wes Johnson
Corey McIntosh
Dodie Dunson
Ross Marsden
Cory Johnson
Cameron Lee
Clayton Vette
Marcus Brister
Wes Eikmeier
Clinton Mann
Lucca Staiger

The players who were kicked off the team:
Mike Taylor
L.A. Pomlee


Since GMac first started, 36 unique players have played for him.13 of them have either quit the program or kicked off. Meaning, over 36% of all players to play for GMac have left the program they originally bought into.

Yeah, that's really great..it's one thing when it's one or two players, but 13 of 36? .........................................

i'm glad the bolded left, you don't think there was any pressure from the coach to get rid of CJ so Hamilton could come in, are you complaining now about that too? Hamilton is going to be a rebounding machine when it comes to next year and the year after.

It's just more dissapointing that mac missed out on all those players when he could have been getting big 12 talent. thus, he has learned from some recruting mistakes.

 

[marothisu]

you guys have to be kidding me, i'm embarrassed as the next person that we are losing all these games. I was at the game tonight, and man was i bummed. every person i left the game with heard me ******** and moaning all the way to the car, but you know what? if scotty knocks down the three and we tie the game and go on to win, no one is complaining and is saying that mac got a good win. instead missing, and having to call a timeout to and getting a good press on and forcing a turnover (as much coaching as it was talent on the court) we got a second chance, only for our player to throw a bounce pass through the legs of our 6'10'' player and expect him to gather it cleanly and get a shot off.

get real cyclone fans.

Those are all big Ifs...you can say that about any game. You could say this about a lot of ISU games, but in the end they don't happen.

You are saying to get real? GMac has a 25.8% win pct in the big 12. You want a reality check? Look at that number. You hire a guy and pay him big money to WIN CONFERENCE GAMES.

You should become a Penn State fan. You'd love Ed Dechelis.

 

[marothisu]

i'm glad the bolded left, you don't think there was any pressure from the coach to get rid of CJ so Hamilton could come in, are you complaining now about that too? Hamilton is going to be a rebounding machine when it comes to next year and the year after.

It's just more dissapointing that mac missed out on all those players when he could have been getting big 12 talent. thus, he has learned from some recruting mistakes.

The main point is that these players were sold the system, and they quit. It doesn't even matter if they weren't great..i'd be less angry about it if they didn't quit the system.

It's one thing when a few crybabies quit a team over a few years because of playing time, but when 11 of them do? You don't think something is up? Yes, almost 1 in 3 players to play for GMac have gone up and quit the team. I could care less if those players were bad, again. I'd rather have a team that retains its players than a team where the players randomly leave all the time. At least I know they buy into the coach's system even if they're losing.

Also, Cory Johnson wasn't "gotten rid of"...he left the team. You don't get rid of players in college who follow NCAA rules and team rules even if they suck. You limit their playing time. You honestly think Mac "fired" Cory Johnson? This isn't the NBA.

Oh yeah, Cory Johnson is averaging 15 points and 6 rebounds per game this year. He had 15 points against Michigan State, 17 against Butler, and 11 against Purdue. Wouldn't be bad to have that coming off the bench sometimes.


I also think it's funny you bolded Clayton Vette and Marcus Brister when they only played about two or three games for us. You really know from two or three non conference games how good these guys were huh?

 

[marothisu]

keep editing your posts, god forbid you didn't know what you were talking about.

Actually I keep APPENDING things, not editing them (unless it's the swear words I took out).

Maybe you should find a revision history of my posts, you'd see that. "Editing" is a pretty broad requirement with this message board system.

 

[marothisu]

You know, this almost reminds me of people with gambling debts or bad investments losing more money than they could.

People go to the Casino, they play Blackjack and lose some money. An hour later they're down $100 and instead of getting up and leaving, they keep on doing the same thing and lose even more money instead of realizing they have been losing for a long time and leaving.

OR, they have money invested in a certain company's stock and the stock goes down for a few straight days pretty badly. The person says "Well, in the past, it did pretty well so I'm going to keep onto it" and then the stock keeps going down and they lose even more money.


You have to know when to walk away and cut your losses.

 

[Cyclone42]

I think people will stop mentioning Morgan when McDermott actually has a season that is better than the one that got Morgan fired.

 

[isuforlife]

you guys have to be kidding me, i'm embarrassed as the next person that we are losing all these games. I was at the game tonight, and man was i bummed. every person i left the game with heard me ******** and moaning all the way to the car, but you know what? if scotty knocks down the three and we tie the game and go on to win, no one is complaining and is saying that mac got a good win. instead missing, and having to call a timeout to and getting a good press on and forcing a turnover (as much coaching as it was talent on the court) we got a second chance, only for our player to throw a bounce pass through the legs of our 6'10'' player and expect him to gather it cleanly and get a shot off.

get real cyclone fans.

WOW IF IS A BIG WORD, IF THE QUEEN HAD BALLS SHE WOULD BE KING

 

[ICCYFAN]

The distressing part for me is the lack of execution in crunch time. I guess most everybody would agree that Wayne was a great recruiter; the debate on him would be X's and O's. By reputation, McDermott is a great "coach 'em up" guy, yet that's not what we're seeing on the court. End with exagerated drawn-out groan....

 

[DesertClone1]

I think people will stop mentioning Morgan when McDermott actually has a season that is better than the one that got Morgan fired.

so..... when's this going to happen?

 

[cyclonenum1]

the same people ripping mac are the same people that were ripping morgan years ago. while i know there is much more evidence that mac will fail here, i still have hope. I think he has figured out (while late) but better late than never the talent that it takes to win in the big 12. We are getting closer, maybe not w and Ls but talent wise. we are only 1 combo guard away from being an ncaa tourney team.

Mac didn't just forget how to coach.

I didn't support Danny Mac, I didn't support Wayne Morgan, but i really think mac will get it done.

...now rip my head off

Wow...you have a serious case of blind-faith-itis.

Hope is not a plan of action.

 

[cyclonenum1]

You know, this almost reminds me of people with gambling debts or bad investments losing more money than they could.

People go to the Casino, they play Blackjack and lose some money. An hour later they're down $100 and instead of getting up and leaving, they keep on doing the same thing and lose even more money instead of realizing they have been losing for a long time and leaving.

OR, they have money invested in a certain company's stock and the stock goes down for a few straight days pretty badly. The person says "Well, in the past, it did pretty well so I'm going to keep onto it" and then the stock keeps going down and they lose even more money.


You have to know when to walk away and cut your losses.

Actually, I think the better analogy is why so many people stay in abusive relationships while everyone on the outside knows it would be best to part ways.

 

[cyclonenum1]

I think people will stop mentioning Morgan when McDermott actually has a season that is better than the one that got Morgan fired.

Actually, a lot of people bring up Morgan because so many of GM's supporters have tried to drag him through the mud over the last 3 years. You are seeing less of this happening this year but the last 3 years we were showered with comparisons of how much greater GM was than WM when being told to have patience while GM fixed the mess Morgan left. With each passing year it gets tougher to blame the mess on WM.

 

[isufbcurt]

Morgans a loser, there's a reason he in the satelite tv business and not coaching!!!

 

[Cyclonestate78]

The game was lost because we had no go to person

This right here. Our two "alleged" NBA players combined to go 5-27 from the field. That my friends isn't even D-League caliber. Both of these guys will be playing in some bush league Euro-League next year. Maybe they should put in a call to Lucca's agent.....