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Had a top-4 playoff been in place...

2011 - (1) LSU/(4) Stanford; (2) Alabama/(3) Oklahoma State
2010 - Auburn/Stanford; Oregon/TCU
2009 - Alabama/TCU; Texas/Cincinnati
2008 - Oklahoma/Alabama; Florida/Texas
2007 - Ohio State/Oklahoma; LSU/Virginia Tech
2006 - Ohio State/LSU; Florida/Michigan
2005 - USC/Ohio State; Texas/Penn State
2004 - USC/Texas; Oklahoma/Auburn
2003 - Oklahoma/Michigan; LSU/USC
2002 - Miami/USC; Ohio State/Georgia
2001 - Miami/Oregon; Nebraska/Colorado
2000 - Oklahoma/Washington; Florida State/Miami
1999 - Florida State/Alabama; Virginia Tech/Nebraska
1998 - Tennessee/Ohio State; Florida State/Kansas State

Sure, there would have been chances of conference rematches, but most of those would have qualified as must-watch games.

And that system is completely within the confines of what I suggested.

What would suck is the idea of a 16 team play off and nothing else.
 

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But if these bowls are supposed to be the postseason to determine the overall success of a team, we can do better than this. Match teams up based on objective measures...not who will best prop up the casinos around town. Put the games on campus, or create "mini-playoffs" of 4 teams from different conferences, and make postseason wins meaningful again.

Is there a more compelling postseason in ANY sport than the NCAA Basketball Tournament? How could we get college basketball's postseason so right, and college football's so wrong?

Even if a playoff were in the future there would still be bowl games! Why? Because it's about $$$! Where does this money come from? Advertisers! Why do companies advertise? To sell their product! What happens when they sell their product? They make $$$!

If college football went to a 16-team playoff (won't happen, just a hypothetical) there would still be another 24 or so bowl games. So, even with you complaining about the money-sucking bowl games, they will NEVER go away. People still watch and will always watch, even when/if a playoff system happens.
 

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Look...nobody's arguing the the player's don't love it. They love the swag. They love the attention (although I find it a BIT of a stretch that the Pinstripe Bowl is the talk of NYC). I've got no problem with any of that.

But what's good for the players' entertainment is not good for the sport. If you want to treat it like an exhibition, make it a true exhibition - like the Pro Bowl in Hawaii. Everybody has fun...the outcome doesn't matter.

But if these bowls are supposed to be the postseason to determine the overall success of a team, we can do better than this. Match teams up based on objective measures...not who will best prop up the casinos around town. Put the games on campus, or create "mini-playoffs" of 4 teams from different conferences, and make postseason wins meaningful again.

Is there a more compelling postseason in ANY sport than the NCAA Basketball Tournament? How could we get college basketball's postseason so right, and college football's so wrong?

1) I think he means the talk of their hometown, not the bowl town.

2) So you're saying that the bowl system once worked? What about it has changed? It's always been ruled by money/power rather than merit. Just having more bowl games doesn't really change anything.

3) It's apples to mosquitoes. You can't get nearly as many people watching NCAA basketball games live as you can football games. Hardly anyone even bothers attemtpting to travel to NCAA basketball games. You have far more teams, and in basketball (unlike football) you can play 2 games in a weekend, which means the tourney can be played in a few weekends. Also, college basketball's tournament is inclusive enough that the underdog can get a shot. In college football, a playoff would be structured in a way that essentially shut out anyone who wasn't a Top 15 program perrenially. In order for a college football play off to appeal beyond to the fanbases of 75% of the programs (you know, the people who buy tickets and make this thing work), it has to be small enough to preserve the bowl system, or gigantic. Because there are fewer teams playing less games in football, it becomes a lot more difficult to duplicate the magic of March Madness.
 

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Do you think the players care that bowls make money? Guess what, they LOVE that the games are on the radio and on TV. They LOVE getting bags of swag from bowl sponsors. They LOVE being the talk of the town. They LOVE having one more shot to put on their college uniform. Yes, to the players the game is all about them. How can you argue that?

Amen and 100% true. Even in the craphole Shreveport we still got treated like royalty, everyone there was nice and we got decent bowl gifts.
 

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Is there a more compelling postseason in ANY sport than the NCAA Basketball Tournament? How could we get college basketball's postseason so right, and college football's so wrong?

Maybe for you. But I love Bowl season and would take that over the NCAA Basketball tournament anyday.

At least with the bowls you get teams that had to come to play every game of the season. In basketball all you have to do is make the tournament and get hot. I prefer to have a champion who was great all season rather than one who got hot/lucky for some tournament games.
 

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Even in the craphole Shreveport we still got treated like royalty

I talked to some of the law enforcement down there, and they were pretty jacked about getting to do all of the escort/blockade work for the team buses on every jaunt across town (practice, bowl events, etc.).
 

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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Mizzoulander is trying to rationalize his ****** fanbase by saying any bowls but the BCS don't matter although mizzery never has made a BCS bowl nor will in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Kansas was picked ahead of mizzery in the Orange bowl because mizzery's fans suck major ***.
 
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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Mizzoulander is trying to rationalize his ****** fanbase by saying any bowls but the BCS don't matter although mizzery never has made a BCS bowl nor will in the future.

You aren't the only one, I'm sure everyone (except mizzoulander) thinks the same thing.
 

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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Mizzoulander is trying to rationalize his ****** fanbase by saying any bowls but the BCS don't matter although mizzery never has made a BCS bowl nor will in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Kansas was picked ahead of mizzery in the Orange bowl because mizzery's fans suck major ***.

No. It's utterly ridiculous.

His entire presence on this board is an exercise in justifying his school's intentional self destruction of their football program.
 
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No. It's utterly ridiculous.

His entire presence on this board is an exercise in justifying his school's intentional self destruction of their football program.

Yes I think it's funny that he is on this message board trying to convince us of something. Clearly he has no friends.
 

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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Mizzoulander is trying to rationalize his ****** fanbase by saying any bowls but the BCS don't matter although mizzery never has made a BCS bowl nor will in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Kansas was picked ahead of mizzery in the Orange bowl because mizzery's fans suck major ***.

With his rationale, Missouri hasn't played a meaningful game since the 1972 Fiesta Bowl.
 

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Maybe for you. But I love Bowl season and would take that over the NCAA Basketball tournament anyday.

At least with the bowls you get teams that had to come to play every game of the season. In basketball all you have to do is make the tournament and get hot. I prefer to have a champion who was great all season rather than one who got hot/lucky for some tournament games.


Or schedule some easy wins and hope for a couple of more... This is why I love basketball. The tournament scenario allows us to see some amazing matchups early in the year. Teams like Duke and North Carolina are playing all the heavyweights.

All the talk of the basketball regular season being devalued have NOTHING to do with the tournament, it's the length of the season. If football played 35 games the regular season would be devalued as well, tournament or no tournament.

I watch every single NCAA tournament game because they all mean something. I will watch about a game and a half of the bowl season...
 

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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Mizzoulander is trying to rationalize his ****** fanbase by saying any bowls but the BCS don't matter although mizzery never has made a BCS bowl nor will in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Kansas was picked ahead of mizzery in the Orange bowl because mizzery's fans suck major ***.

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Nicely done.
 

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Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Mizzoulander is trying to rationalize his ****** fanbase by saying any bowls but the BCS don't matter although mizzery never has made a BCS bowl nor will in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Kansas was picked ahead of mizzery in the Orange bowl because mizzery's fans suck major ***.

I think that had more to do with Lew Perkins' guarantee to the Orange Bowl organizers that KU would sell X number of tickets. I wonder how the KU athletic dept. came up with the cash to do that?

Ticket scandal rocks Kansas - College Basketball - Rivals.com

Oh, yeah...that's right. :smile:
 

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Or schedule some easy wins and hope for a couple of more... This is why I love basketball. The tournament scenario allows us to see some amazing matchups early in the year. Teams like Duke and North Carolina are playing all the heavyweights.

All the talk of the basketball regular season being devalued have NOTHING to do with the tournament, it's the length of the season. If football played 35 games the regular season would be devalued as well, tournament or no tournament.

I watch every single NCAA tournament game because they all mean something. I will watch about a game and a half of the bowl season...


..and I watch nothing of the regular bball season aside from ISU. College football must be doing something right. It is right behind the NFL in popularity.
 

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I watch every single NCAA tournament game because they all mean something. I will watch about a game and a half of the bowl season...

See I'm the opposite. I watch every bowl game and could care less about the NCAA tournament outside the Final 4 (unless ISU is in it then I watch their games).
 
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..and I watch nothing of the regular bball season aside from ISU. College football must be doing something right. It is right behind the NFL in popularity.

Well no ****. You can't compare football to any other sport. They only play once a week, of course more people are going to watch than any other sport. People aren't going to take 3 hours every day to watch a baseball game.
 

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Well no ****. You can't compare football to any other sport. They only play once a week, of course more people are going to watch than any other sport. People aren't going to take 3 hours every day to watch a baseball game.


especially when it is boring as hell.
 

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No. The Independence Bowl was the worst attended bowl game, by the eyeball. The Belk had an excellent crowd last night, and even the Detroit Bowl looked better last night than it has in years past.

It was a down year for the Independence - perhaps one of its worst. It looked like an Eastern Michigan game. It was really, really empty.

There will be way more than 20k at Yankee Stadium, although it will have the funny baseball/football game look to it.


Or not
 

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