Will practice helmets become game helmets?

[t-noah]

I was watching this (sorry for the Chiefs bias), and wondered... regarding the padded helmet: With all the emphasis on safety, the recent rise in flag football, etc., why not just make a gameday version of the extra outer-padded practice helmet? Will that ever happen? If so, how far are we from that?

MSN

Looks are important, and the outer padded helmet looks kinda fugly, but what is more important, safety or looks? How much extra safety does this practice helmet provide? It must be safer or else they wouldn't be using it.

[I wasn't sure where to post this, as it is not just about Cyclone FB, but couldn't find a better place.]

 

[RollClones14]

It's going to be an option for players this year for NFL players if they want to https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-giv...ear-guardian-caps-during-regular-season-games

 

[t-noah]

It's going to be an option for players this year for NFL players if they want to https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-giv...ear-guardian-caps-during-regular-season-games

Makes sense! Thanks for the info.

So, according to above article, there is an even safer helmet now ( that is as good or better than the guardian cap and existing helmets). Couple this with a guardian cap (now optional) and this shows continued progress in safety.

I would love to see what the guardian cap looks like as a game helmet, with all the decals, stripes, etc. How will they simulate the gloss look of teams that have those? Should be interesting to see if many players go this route.

 

[BigTurk]

I was watching this (sorry for the Chiefs bias), and wondered... regarding the padded helmet: With all the emphasis on safety, the recent rise in flag football, etc., why not just make a gameday version of the extra outer-padded practice helmet? Will that ever happen? If so, how far are we from that?

MSN

Looks are important, and the outer padded helmet looks kinda fugly, but what is more important, safety or looks? How much extra safety does this practice helmet provide? It must be safer or else they wouldn't be using it.

[I wasn't sure where to post this, as it is not just about Cyclone FB, but couldn't find a better place.]

IIRC Don Bebe wore a padded shell over his helmet for a few years. I think there was a guy who played for the Bengals that did too.

 

[clone4sure]

Iowa State is a Science and Technology University. we should be able to make a helmet that reduces concussions for players. we created the first computer, this should be much easier to do.

 

[t-noah]

Iowa State is a Science and Technology University. we should be able to make a helmet that reduces concussions for players. we created the first computer, this should be much easier to do.

Just a little history, IIRC... didn't Iowa State have one of the first modern knee braces, that players routinely use today? Back in the late '70's or '80's. I believe they were developed here! I could be wrong.

 

[HFCS]

I'm guessing it would actually help keep players safe vs the targeting rule that mostly just helps certain brand name teams get better officiating.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I was watching this (sorry for the Chiefs bias), and wondered... regarding the padded helmet: With all the emphasis on safety, the recent rise in flag football, etc., why not just make a gameday version of the extra outer-padded practice helmet? Will that ever happen? If so, how far are we from that?

MSN

Looks are important, and the outer padded helmet looks kinda fugly, but what is more important, safety or looks? How much extra safety does this practice helmet provide? It must be safer or else they wouldn't be using it.

[I wasn't sure where to post this, as it is not just about Cyclone FB, but couldn't find a better place.]

This helmet does practically nothing to stop concussions. So I kinda doubt anyone would use it regularly

 

[cyclonedave25]

Iowa State is a Science and Technology University. we should be able to make a helmet that reduces concussions for players. we created the first computer, this should be much easier to do.

You can add as much padding as you want, but that really doesn’t do much for concussions. (Skull fractures, yes)
With your brain basically floating inside the skull, its impossible for it to not hit the skull with a sudden change of direction, regardless of how much padding there is.

 

[CYDJ]

Just a little history, IIRC... didn't Iowa State have one of the first modern knee braces, that players routinely use today? Back in the late '70's or '80's. I believe they were developed here! I could be wrong.

Correct, for the O-line.

 

[clonedude]

This looks safe....

 

[Dopey]

This helmet does practically nothing to stop concussions. So I kinda doubt anyone would use it regularly

Glad you spoke up. I don't see how this helps at all. Your head and brain are going to stop just as fast with or without this pillow on your head.

The Q-Collar seems way more promising to me.

Thoughts on that?

 

[frackincygy]

You can add as much padding as you want, but that really doesn’t do much for concussions. (Skull fractures, yes)
With your brain basically floating inside the skull, its impossible for it to not hit the skull with a sudden change of direction, regardless of how much padding there is.

So 1/2mv^2 just doesn't apply because it's the human body?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

So 1/2mv^2 just doesn't apply because it's the human body?

I’m not sure if you are serious or not…

 

[3TrueFans]

The cap protects the helmet though, which means fewer replacements needed, which means more money in the owners' pockets. That's the real benefit.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Glad you spoke up. I don't see how this helps at all. Your head and brain are going to stop just as fast with or without this pillow on your head.

The Q-Collar seems way more promising to me.

Thoughts on that?

I had never heard of the Q collar till just now so I’m googling it. But based off a very quick scan that doesn’t look like it would be effective. If it was I just don’t see how there wouldn’t be serious side effects.

I’m not a neurologist but anything that restricts blood flow to or from the brain just sounds like a bad idea or major stroke risk. I sent it to my friend who is a neurosurgeon for his take on it.

 

[Dopey]

I had never heard of the Q collar till just now so I’m googling it. But based off a very quick scan that doesn’t look like it would be effective. If it was I just don’t see how there wouldn’t be serious side effects.

I’m not a neurologist but anything that restricts blood flow to or from the brain just sounds like a bad idea or major stroke risk. I sent it to my friend who is a neurosurgeon for his take on it.

I started noticing a few of them in games last year so started googling it and found what it was. I agree it seems odd from a blood flow perspective. But increasing the pressure to hold the brain more stable at least makes sense to me.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Glad you spoke up. I don't see how this helps at all. Your head and brain are going to stop just as fast with or without this pillow on your head.

The Q-Collar seems way more promising to me.

Thoughts on that?

Got a quick response from his scrub nurse “I haven’t looked at the studies in depth but the physiology is there, Dr Bales is one of the leaders in this field if you want to dig deeper. Without looking at the studies I don’t know what biases were present and as you know never trust the studies funded by the parent company.”

 

[ISUTex]

This helmet does practically nothing to stop concussions. So I kinda doubt anyone would use it regularly

That's what I was thinking. Doesn't it just make your head heavier? Don't concussions come from the brain shaking inside the skull? Has there been new research to refute that?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

That's what I was thinking. Doesn't it just make your head heavier? Don't concussions come from the brain shaking inside the skull? Has there been new research to refute that?

Nope that’s exactly how a concussion happens