WBB Big 12 Net Rankings

[KennyPratt42]

Big 12 Net Rankings 1/9/2025
6 Kansas St.
8 TCU
12 West Virginia
25 Baylor
27 Utah
29 Oklahoma St.
49 Iowa St.
65 Cincinnati
66 Colorado
70 Arizona
72 Kansas
73 BYU
77 Texas Tech
116 Arizona St.
156 UCF
179 Houston

Conference Schedule
@29 L
H 72 W
H 27 L
@116 W
@70
H 77
@12
H 73
H 156
@6
H 8
@65
H 66
@72
H 179
@25
@156
H 6

 

[KennyPratt42]

With the new conference members and the unbalanced schedule I've had a hard time getting my hands around the women's basketball schedule as they try to get off the bubble and earn a spot in the tournament. I did this for myself with the current WBB NET rankings and figured some others might find it helpful.

 

[BoxsterCy]

With the new conference members and the unbalanced schedule I've had a hard time getting my hands around the women's basketball schedule as they try to get off the bubble and earn a spot in the tournament. I did this for myself with the current WBB NET rankings and figured some others might find it helpful.

Thanks for sharing the list. Not a bad time to do it. The NET up until now was incomplete without maybe enough games played to be a good tool. At this point it's starting to align with how the teams actually rank.

The six teams above us all look to maybe belong above us but I think all six are maybe ranked/scored a bit too high.

We did improve from a tie for 9th to a four way tie for 7th last night. Such is the way of league with a hundred teams! Interestingly enough the NET lines up with the current standings at the top with the caveat that it's only 4 games into league play.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

9 games against teams lower than us so 11 wins should be possible if we don't upset anyone but barely beating 116 doesn't inspire a ton of confidence.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Here's a snap of everyone's full net and the quads that @mred addressed in another thread.

 

[mred]

FYI, Warren Nolan is a good resource for a lot of this info.

Here's ISU's page, including schedule, etc: https://www.warrennolan.com/basketballw/2025/schedule/Iowa-State

 

[mred]

We used to be 0-5 Q1 and 1-1 Q2, but Utah fell out of the NET top 25. That's why we're now 0-4 Q1 and 1-2 Q2, which is actually worse.

 

[BoxsterCy]

All of the top Big 12 teams have 4 or 5 Quad 1&2 wins except WVU with only 1. The other five have won more Quad1/2 that WVU has even played.

 

[mred]

All of the top Big 12 teams have 4 or 5 Quad 1&2 wins except WVU with only 1. The other five have won more Quad1/2 that WVU has even played.

Not many future Q1 games for WVU:

@ #29 OSU
(potentially vs. #29 OSU if they get into top 25)
@ #25 Baylor
vs #6 KSU
@ #8 TCU
(potentially vs. #27 Utah if they get into top 25)

Future Q2 games (other than the games listed above):
vs. #49 ISU
@ #70 Arizona
@ #65 Cincinnati

For being the #12 team in NET, they have a pretty shaky resume. Honestly, if we had their schedule we'd likely have a similar record. They've played two teams in the top 70 NET and lost both. We've played 7 and lost 6. The only impressive thing on their schedule is losing to Texas by only 5 at a neutral site, but that was a 3rd-game-in-three-days situation where anything can happen.

They'll be fine if they take care of business, but things could go south for them really quickly if they don't win a couple Q1 games and most of the Q2 games.

 

[ICCYFAN]

Quad 2 Definition using NET Rankings:
Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135

ISU defeated NET #56 Middle Tennessee State at home
ISU defeated NET #72 Kansas at home.
ISU defeated NET #116 Arizona State on road

I see three Quad 2 wins. What am I missing? Does timing matter, as in Kansas wasn't TOP 75 when we defeated them? Do I have the wrong definition of Quad 2? TIA

 

[mred]

Quad 2 Definition using NET Rankings:
Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135

ISU defeated NET #56 Middle Tennessee State at home
ISU defeated NET #72 Kansas at home.
ISU defeated NET #116 Arizona State on road

I see three Quad 2 wins. What am I missing? Does timing matter, as in Kansas wasn't TOP 75 when we defeated them? Do I have the wrong definition of Quad 2? TIA

I see where you got those quad 2 definitions, but they are out of date -- I think the NCAA must have changed them at some point but I can't find an official source for the current definitions.

From Warren Nolan, here are the current definitions:

The NET Nitty Gritty Report for NCAA Women's College Basketball | WarrenNolan.com

The NET Nitty Gritty Report for 2025 NCAA Women's College Basketball. This Is a Duplication of the Report Used by the Tournament Selection Committee to Determine At-Large Teams with Quadrants

www.warrennolan.com

Quadrant 1 (Q1)
Home (1-25)
Neutral (1-35)
Away (1-45)

Quadrant 2 (Q2)
Home (26-55)
Neutral (36-65)
Away (46-80)

Quadrant 3 (Q3)
Home (56-90)
Neutral (66-105)
Away (81-130)

Quadrant 4 (Q4)
Home (91-362)
Neutral (106-362)
Away (131-362)

The MTSU game was our single Q2 victory -- it was neutral court, so #56 is good enough for Q2.

 

[ICCYFAN]

I see where you got those quad 2 definitions, but they are out of date -- I think the NCAA must have changed them at some point but I can't find an official source for the current definitions.

The MTSU game was our single Q2 victory -- it was neutral court, so #56 is good enough for Q2.

Thank you - the article I lifted those definitions from was dated 11/30/24! As you've illustrated elsewhere, every game matters now, but a victory on the road against NET #70 Arizona would give us a much needed QUAD 2 W.

While we see this season as disappointing, none of our six losses are brutal in terms of NET Rankings (not considering scoring margin):
#1 - South Carolina
#3 - UCONN
#27 - Utah
#29 - Oklahoma State
#30 - Iowa
#68 - UNI

Opportunity is still there, with games vs #6 KSU, #8 TCU and #12 WVU.

 

[theshadow]

Quad 2 Definition using NET Rankings:
Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135

ISU defeated NET #56 Middle Tennessee State at home
ISU defeated NET #72 Kansas at home.
ISU defeated NET #116 Arizona State on road

I see three Quad 2 wins. What am I missing? Does timing matter, as in Kansas wasn't TOP 75 when we defeated them? Do I have the wrong definition of Quad 2? TIA

Those are MBB Quad definitions.

 

[mred]

Those are MBB Quad definitions.

That makes sense -- WBB tends to have a greater gap between top teams and the rest (compared to MBB) so the Quad definitions are condensed for WBB.

 

[ICCYFAN]

Those are MBB Quad definitions.

You are correct - I searched for "WBB Net" and didn't read the article, going straight for the definitions. That begs the question why the NCAA would have different Quaqd definitions for MBB and WBB? Aren't there approximately the same number of Division 1 teams? Is it because the talent pool in MBB is deeper and more evenly distributed?

 

[qwerty]

Using Mred's generator, here is my guess at season.

 

[acoustimac]

Using Mred's generator, here is my guess at season.

View attachment 140720

You’re being very kind to Baylor

 

[qwerty]

You’re being very kind to Baylor

Probably just bias from their past success. I know little about this year's team.

 

[BoxsterCy]

You’re being very kind to Baylor

Probably just bias from their past success. I know little about this year's team.

Well, the coaches pre-season voted them #3 with 194 pts and us 2nd with #209 and KSU eking into "1st" with 211 so it remains to be seen who is a bigger disappointment, ISU or Baylor, but both were supposed to be better than they have shown. 15 wins would be quite a run for them at this point but #3 is not considering the level of competition. They have to play #1 UCLA in NY on the 20th. Will be interesting to see if they can hang with a Final Four team any better than we did.

 

[mred]

Not many future Q1 games for WVU:

@ #29 OSU
(potentially vs. #29 OSU if they get into top 25)
@ #25 Baylor
vs #6 KSU
@ #8 TCU
(potentially vs. #27 Utah if they get into top 25)

Future Q2 games (other than the games listed above):
vs. #49 ISU
@ #70 Arizona
@ #65 Cincinnati

For being the #12 team in NET, they have a pretty shaky resume. Honestly, if we had their schedule we'd likely have a similar record. They've played two teams in the top 70 NET and lost both. We've played 7 and lost 6. The only impressive thing on their schedule is losing to Texas by only 5 at a neutral site, but that was a 3rd-game-in-three-days situation where anything can happen.

They'll be fine if they take care of business, but things could go south for them really quickly if they don't win a couple Q1 games and most of the Q2 games.

OSU wins 64-57 over WVU today. WVU is running out of chances for a good win.