The official 'I hate Pau Gasol' thread
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WHOA WHOA WHOA hold on a sec....Kobe is NOT better than Jordan IN ANY WAY!
If I remember correctly, Kobe wanted out of LA when he couldn't win when he was the main guy. Jordan played and WON with the players he had and NEVER complained. Everyone thinks Kobe is so great but he's one of the most overrated players in the game ever. Next to TMac.
You are right, Kobe is NOT better than jordan in any way. But Jordan had a LOT of help. He is still the greatest player ive ever watched, but comeon. pippen, rodman, kukoc, grant. he had some real solid players around him.
Jordan made players better like Pippen, Kukoc and Grant. They all sucked when they went to different teams.
Kobe needed others to make him better IMO. Shaq was the best thing to ever happen to Kobe because he wasn't the main target. When Shaq left and Kobe couldn't be "the man" he wanted out of LA. They Lakers as a team has better talent than the Bulls team ever had.
Kobe needed others to make him better IMO. Shaq was the best thing to ever happen to Kobe because he wasn't the main target. When Shaq left and Kobe couldn't be "the man" he wanted out of LA. They Lakers as a team has better talent than the Bulls team ever had.
We'll wait and see if Kobe takes two years off then come back. See how he does before I answer how MJ did in Washington.
The argument that Jordan had such a great supporting cast is one of the most overrated things ever. Nobody would even know the names of those guys if Jordan did not make them look good. Scottie Pippen is certainly NOT a hall of famer without MJ.
Nevermind I will answer how MJ did in Washington.
01-02: 22 points/game 5 rebounds/game 5 assists/game (played in 60 games)
02-03: 20 points/game 6 rebounds/game 4 assists/game (played in all 82 games)
I would say that isn't bad at all.
Did he complain about how bad the team is? NO
Did he ever want out of Washington when they weren't winning? NO
Did he blocked and pinned the ball on the backboard with two hands? YES
01-02: 22 points/game 5 rebounds/game 5 assists/game (played in 60 games)
02-03: 20 points/game 6 rebounds/game 4 assists/game (played in all 82 games)
I would say that isn't bad at all.
Did he complain about how bad the team is? NO
Did he ever want out of Washington when they weren't winning? NO
Did he blocked and pinned the ball on the backboard with two hands? YES
Would you expect a player interested in being part owner/GM complain about his team? NO.
Does it matter if a player complains how bad the team is? No, if anything I respect him for that.
Again, publicly, he was not in position to want out of Washington. Did he want to? Yes.
What the heck does "he blocked and pinned the ball on the backboard with two hands" mean? Weak, just weak.
Pippen could block and pin the ball on the backboard with two hands after MJ, but he still sucked, right.
I liked MJ, but given the insane amount of hype he gets, he would be the most overrated player in NBA history.
"Does it matter if a player complains how bad the team is? No, if anything I respect him for that."
You respect that? You respect a person that calls out your own teammates and pretty much say they suck? You respect a person that calls out his own boss about not making any moves? What makes me dislike Kobe is because nothing is ever his fault (except the Colorado incident)
Moving on, I just brought up the blocking the ball with two hand and pinning it on the backboard because that's the only play I ever remember MJ when he was in Washington.
I personally think MJ earned everyone's respect. He was never hyped up until he was winning and KEPT on winning. When Shaq left in 04, what did the Lakers do the next couple seasons? NOTHING. It's crazy to think MJ is overrated. I want to hear Why you think he is overrated?
There is no doubt in my mind Pau is a greatly skilled 7 footer. I've never seen a smile on this guys face. Pau complains about just as much as Kobe does. There's no denying the skill but Magic pissed this one down there leg. Not to mention Jameer Nelson not knowing how to play defense when I think it was Stan's fault not having Alston in when he has been doing excellent while Nelson throws up air balls and gives the ball away all game.
Not to mention Jordan was approaching 40 in his two seasons with the Wizards, and was 33, 34, and 35 respectively when he won his last three titles. We'll see if kobe has staying power in LA. Kobe is 30 now, and moves like he's into his mid-30's.
I don't know how anybody could say that Jordan's supporting cast was ever any better than Kobe's. Maybe you could make that comparison this year vs the 96 Bulls. But, really I would say that Pau and Pippen are pretty much a wash, with Pau maybe having a slight advantage. Longley and Odom are probably close to even, with Odom again having a slight advantage.
Fisher is pretty close to a wash with Kerr. Kukoc and Ariza are probably a wash. Rodman would probably be the x-factor. But, all he did was rebound and get T'd up. The Bulls had a lot of average players that looked MUCH better when they played with MJ.
Either way, I have to give Kobe some props. I've hated him for a long time, and truly never believed he'd win a title without Shaq. He seems to have matured a lot in the past couple of years. Listening to him talk to his team during timeouts gives you a different perspective of how far he's come. They are easily the best team in the NBA this year, and should finish it out in LA in Game 5.
All that being said, I think the 96 Bulls would sweep this Laker's team, and the rest of Jordan's championship teams would win every series against this Laker's team. :yes:
I think it is more accurate to compare NBA minutes. So while Kobe may only be 30, he is at where MJ was when he was 33, 34, 35.
Let's see. The 1st year without Jordan Pippen avg. 22 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 5.6 apg, and 2.93 spg and won the All-Star game MVP trophy and (infamous tantrum aside) got the Bulls to the Eastern Conference finals. The 2nd season in which Jordan came back late he avg. 21.4 ppg, 8.10 rpg, 5.2 apg, and 2.94 spg.
People are always very quick to forget how good of a player Pip was because of Jordan. Just because Bird was an elite player doesn't make any of the other Celtics any less of a player. Is Stockton career partly dismissable because he played alongside the Mailman?
Pip is definitely still a hall of famer without MJ. Maybe not one of the 50 greatest of all time, but he practicly perfected the point forward and was one of the greatest lockdown defenders to ever play the game and could guard 4 positions. I don't think Mike would be quite the same player if he didn't have Pip all those years. Oh and every time I see a publication update their 50 greatest player lists, he is still in there. The latest ranking I've seen? #27. He's 40th in NBA scoring history, 4th in steals, and 23rd in assists. I'd say when you're in the top 40 in those three categories, it don't matter who you played with; you're GOOD.
Oh and back on topic, I hate the Lakers, but I don't think Pau has done anything to deserve hatred as Pietrius' shot on him was dirty. You dunk that ball and don't expect a two handed closed fist karate chop from a Frenchman on your way up. I hate Kobe, but acknowledge he is one of the greatest players of all time (but he ain't Jordan because Kobe quits sometimes and Jordan never did). And Dwight does complain almost every time he touches the ball (just like 90% of the players on the planet).
About Pippen - Pippen may not be a Hall-of-Famer without MJ, but MJ certainly does not have 6 rings without Pippen - he may or may not even have one, certainly not with the Bulls.
Jordan certainly is the greatest player ever to play the game, and who knows whether Kobe, LeBron, or anyone else will ever change that. And he certainly made everyone else on the court look better. But even he couldn't be a champion by himself.
Jordan certainly is the greatest player ever to play the game, and who knows whether Kobe, LeBron, or anyone else will ever change that. And he certainly made everyone else on the court look better. But even he couldn't be a champion by himself.
I'd give Pau some slack. He did serve a lengthy sentence with Grizzlies.
Go ahead and pile on Kobe. Sure he's good, but the only person who whines more than him is Billy Corgan.
Go ahead and pile on Kobe. Sure he's good, but the only person who whines more than him is Billy Corgan.
