The Deion Sanders thread

[Tailg8er]

And now apparently the number 2 kid in the class decommited from fsu to play for Deion

It's the same kid, isn't it? Looks like some sites just have him listed as #1 while others have him #2.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Also, where is the Barstool deal being reported? I saw a joke tweet from a fake Adam Schefter account. I haven't seen anything else about Barstool paying him. I know they have a bunch of NIL athletes, but I doubt they're getting paid very much of anything.

 

[ClonesFTW]

They’re already getting returns. Guarantee this is driving traffic to barstool today

Time will tell!

 

[farm85]

 

[Pat]

Someone could try to argue that it’s disruptive to education but it seems non athlete students switch schools or stop before graduation at least as frequently.

If they can just have the pre covid transfer rules it would bring the instability down a lot, probably no way to ever make them more strict. The transfers still get to be on scholarship while sitting out which helps argument quite a bit.

No. Coaches don’t sit a year. Marching band members don’t sit a year. The one-time no-sit will be fine. The newness, combined with NIL uncertainty, combined with Covid uncertainty, is disruptive now, but it will be fine. And if the 6- and 7- figure salary coaches and administrators can’t figure it out, maybe we should adjust their pay.

 

[WhoISthis]

No idea what you are talking about with money ball, as I never said I believe in anything or not in that post. Just pointing out how a small school just bucked the whole "blue bloods will get every big recruit now" line of thought, and MAYBE it happens to us at some point.

We shall see what happens won't we? Because fun fact, none of us really know. That includes you almighty one. Although you definitely like to act like you know everything around here.

This kid just went to Jackson State for a reported $1.5 million. We do have enough big boosters that SHOULD (key word) they want to pool money to throw at an elite recruit they absolutely could. Might be enough to land one, might not.

First, lmao, it was a rhetorical question.

Resorting to “we don’t know the future”? This is all you have?

Go ask JP, or anyone with any knowledge of NIL and Iowa St, whether NIL is good for Iowa St. Now, he also doesn’t know the future. You’ll have to cope.

 

[HFCS]

No. Coaches don’t sit a year. Marching band members don’t sit a year. The one-time no-sit will be fine. The newness, combined with NIL uncertainty, combined with Covid uncertainty, is disruptive now, but it will be fine. And if the 6- and 7- figure salary coaches and administrators can’t figure it out, maybe we should adjust their pay.

I don’t think it’s quite the medieval torture you’re describing.

You brought up band members. I’m guessing 90% of band members would love to get a free year of college b cause they switched schools even if it meant a year of practicing without marching, they don’t get squat. Any college student can try to go to a new school whenever they like.

 

[jbhtexas]

This is what happens when the pendulum swings. Blame the NCAA and the member schools. Their greed and obstinance did this.

Blame the NCAA for what? As soon as the Supreme Court hinted that NIL for college athletes should not be forbidden, a bunch of states passed laws permitting NIL and forbidding the NCAA (or anybody else) from regulating it, to give an advantage to their the schools in their states. If the NCAA had permitted NIL a decade ago, the same thing would have immediately happened.

There seems to be this idea that the NCAA could have been "out in front" of NIL and formulated a nice, orderly NIL plan and everybody would have played nice and accepted it. As was pointed out by many before it happened, that idea was/is idealistic nonsense. The NCAA and their members knew this.

NIL is basically a way to give private money to college athletes, and as soon as it became permissible, it was going to be exploited to the max, because the people who drive this money are powerful. Just look at the record time in which these state NIL laws got passed. CA has state-level problems, TX has state-level problems; one is liberal, the other conservative; but they both had no issues at all pushing a completely permissive NIL law through in short order. FL beat them all in getting a law into effect.

 

[jctisu]

First, lmao, it was a rhetorical question.

Resorting to “we don’t know the future”? This is all you have?

Go ask JP, or anyone with any knowledge of NIL and Iowa St, whether NIL is good for Iowa St. Now, he also doesn’t know the future. You’ll have to cope.

Awwww did someone call you out for the prick you are on here? Boo hoo.

Check my posting history and what I like and dislike. I hate what NIL is likely going to do for Iowa State in the future. But it’s cute that you think you know all the answers and God forbid someone else (not even talking about me) may have an opinion that is well thought out and/or may be smarter than something you post.

Humble is a good word you should learn. That and just to not be an ass.

 

[WhoISthis]

Blame the NCAA for what? As soon as the Supreme Court hinted that NIL for college athletes should not be forbidden, a bunch of states passed laws permitting NIL and forbidding the NCAA (or anybody else) from regulating it, to give an advantage to their the schools in their states. If the NCAA had permitted NIL a decade ago, the same thing would have immediately happened.

There seems to be this idea that the NCAA could have been "out in front" of NIL and formulated a nice, orderly NIL plan and everybody would have played nice and accepted it. As was pointed out by many before it happened, that idea was/is idealistic nonsense. The NCAA and their members knew this.

NIL is basically a way to give private money to athletes, and as soon as it became permissible, it was going to be exploited to the max, because the people who drive this money are powerful. Just look at the record time in which these state NIL laws got passed. CA has state-level problems, TX has state-level problems; one is liberal, the other conservative; but they both had no issues at all pushing a completely permissive NIL law through in short order. FL beat them all in getting a law into effect.

Disagree.
There was definitely a perfection is the enemy of good element, which resulted in it being settled in courts. That rarely represents anything close the only outcome, let alone the only path in getting to that outcome.

It may not have resulted in perfectly nice, orderly and fair (college athletics long ago gave those up) but more so than now. You think college football having less compensation structure and transparency than professional entities is how it had to be?

Abrupt and chaos is not bad for Iowa St. Hopefully the Jackson St of the world will take a few more recruits from Bama, UGa, Ohio St etc. You'll be surprised how stakeholders will change their tune when big money needs them to. Anyone that makes money off of college football has no desire for this to be so unchecked and regulated that Jackson St steals talent from the profit centers.

 

[jctisu]

Disagree.
There was definitely a perfection is the enemy of good element, which resulted in it being settled in courts. That rarely represents anything close the only outcome, let alone the only path in getting to that outcome.

It may not have resulted in perfectly nice, orderly and fair (college athletics long ago gave those up) but more so than now. You think college football having less compensation structure and transparency than professional entities is how it had to be?

Abrupt and chaos is not bad for Iowa St. Hopefully the Jackson St of the world will take a few more recruits from Bama, UGa, Ohio St etc. You'll be surprised how stakeholders will change their tune when big money needs them to. Anyone that makes money off of college football has no desire for this to be so unchecked and regulated that Jackson St steals talent from the profit centers.

Your last part is exactly what I said and you scoffed at it… you are strange person.

 

[WhoISthis]

Awwww did someone call you out for the prick you are on here? Boo hoo.

Check my posting history and what I like and dislike. I hate what NIL is likely going to do for Iowa State in the future. But it’s cute that you think you know all the answers and God forbid someone else (not even talking about me) may have an opinion that is well thought out and/or may be smarter than something you post.

Humble is a good word you should learn. That and just to not be an ass.

What makes you think I would care if you think I am a prick? If you need to think that, by all means. It makes me sad for you.

I do care about your inability to defend your contention. Going with "we don't know the future" is rather lame. You should be criticized for that. If that offends you, boo hoo

 

[WhoISthis]

Your last part is exactly what I said and you scoffed at it… you are strange person.

No, I scoffed at Iowa St having the ability to even pool enough donor money to get a top-5 QB, given our donor pool, or that it will work competitively (moneyball).

That is not the same suggesting multiple occurrences of a guy like Prime using his connections at Barstool/Penn to get the #1 recruit to Jackson St, clearly making NIL be a shame, and contending that stands the best chance to bring order to the system. Most in power likely thought non elite P5s could get a player or two, they already do. Jackson St? No.

Although we lack boosters and corporate support, we are still a P5 that nearly won the Big 12 a year ago, and have an All-American at RB. How negative are you about the program to equate that to Jackson St's of the world landing the top recruit?

 

[jctisu]

What makes you think I would care if you think I am a prick? If you need to think that, by all means. It makes me sad for you.

I do care about your inability to defend your contention. Going with "we don't know the future" is rather lame. You should be criticized for that. If that offends you, boo hoo

I never said I think you do care about anything I have to say. Yet you still keep responding to my posts because someone on here has the stones to call you out on your posting. You are **** and it’s obvious you think your **** doesn’t stink.

You have the classic display of a guy making posts in ways that makes you sound super smart and intellectual, but the problem is a smart person listens and not just talks. Hell I even tagged a post of yours earlier with a “Winner” emoji because it was a damn good post. But anyone who challenges your way of thinking isn’t worth your time. That’s what makes you what you are.

And I appreciate you feeling sad for me. I don’t have anything that I am sad about honestly other than things that come up in everyday life. My life is great. I use this message board to commune with other fans. I am just sick of seeing your garbage on here and how you treat others.

Finally I have nothing to prove on my opinion because it’s true. Nobody has any idea. And if you do please, lay it all out there and in several years we can see how right you are about some things and how very wrong you are about others when it comes to this. Because everyone will be wrong about something.

 

[jbhtexas]

Disagree.
There was definitely a perfection is the enemy of good element, which resulted in it being settled in courts. That rarely represents anything close the only outcome, let alone the only path in getting to that outcome.

It may not have resulted in perfectly nice, orderly and fair (college athletics long ago gave those up) but more so than now. You think college football having less compensation structure and transparency than professional entities is how it had to be?

First, nothing specifically regarding NIL for college athletes was decided by the US Supreme Court. The NCAA could put an NIL regulatory structure in place today, except that it would be illegal in 29 states. The matter would likely end up in the courts though.

As for your question, aren't NIL/endorsements for individual professional athletes generally unregulated by the professional leagues? As far as NIL, that is not much different from what is happening in college now, so I am not sure what your question is getting at.

The reality of the present situation supports those who suggested that it would be nearly impossible to regulate NIL for college. What is there to support your position that it could have turned out differently?

 

[jctisu]

No, I scoffed at Iowa St having the ability to even pool enough donor money to get a top-5 QB, given our donor pool, or that it will work competitively (moneyball).

That is not the same suggesting multiple occurrences of a guy like Prime using his connections at Barstool/Penn to get the #1 recruit to Jackson St, clearly making NIL be a shame, and contending that stands the best chance to bring order to the system. Most in power likely thought non elite P5s could get a player or two, they already do. Jackson St? No.

Although we lack boosters and corporate support, we are still a P5 that nearly won the Big 12 a year ago, and have an All-American at RB. How negative are you about the program to equate that to Jackson St's of the world landing the top recruit?

I also love how you assume I am so negative about our program right now. Much like I have perhaps judged you mistakenly, you have assumed A LOT about me, so please go on telling me exactly who I am because I clearly have no idea. Although so far you are batting .000 in how you think I am feeling so good start.

 

[jctisu]

First, nothing specifically regarding NIL for college athletes was decided by the US Supreme Court. The NCAA could put an NIL regulatory structure in place today, except that it would be illegal in 29 states. The matter would likely end up in the courts though.

As for your question, aren't NIL/endorsements for individual professional athletes generally unregulated by the professional leagues? As far as NIL, that is not much different from what is happening in college now, so I am not sure what your question is getting at.

The reality of the present situation supports those who suggested that it would be nearly impossible to regulate NIL for college. What is there to support your position that it could have turned out differently?

Forget it man you are wrong. Just know that you are wrong because WhoIsThis says you are. He is God basically and you don’t disagree with God.

 

[davegilbertson]

That’s a fairy tale imo.


It is no different than a coach not working out. NIL is nothing compared to the old way of “buying” players and wins. It’s risk reduction per dollar spent from the booster side. It won’t be ugly, you’re still applying your value mindset. Conspicuous consumption isn’t about that. Player doesn’t workout? Sunk cost and just means you buy another one. 100k for a player is enough to change the sport as we know it, not worth getting lawyers involved when it’s already just a **** measuring contest. Cheaper than another $2 million upgrade to the locker room

so you are the mindset that NIL will not correct by market forces or have any regulatory measures brought in because of negative impact or unforeseen repercussions on "student-athletes"?

 

[CloneGuy8]

He's also probably their next coach, which makes this even more hilarious.

 

[Diggame]

Jackson State crazily was just about selling out every game they had this year because of Prime.

I can see how that NIL, Prime, and these girls here could get you to commit