The consistent quality of Coach Campbell

JimDogRock

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A couple threads that have recently been at the top of the forum have been discussing past coaches and winning streaks. So, that got me thinking about how many times Iowa State has had a winning streak.

Data overload incoming.

First, let's define a "winning streak".
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And, as it turns out, it has not happened before very much.

I went and looked for when Iowa State had a win against 3 "quality" opponents in 3 consecutively played games. Basically, wins against small conference or lower division foes don't count here.
Example to provide context -
In 2002 we won 6 games in a row against Kansas, Tennessee Tech, Iowa, Troy, Nebraska, and Texas Tech.
However, Tennessee Tech and Troy are not counting as "quality" opponents here.
So, this actually counts as 2 entries of winning streaks because we beat Kansas, Iowa, and Nebraska in a row, and we also beat Iowa, Nebraska, and Texas Tech in a row.
Each 3 game window of games against quality opponents is what is being measured here.
Remember Lou's quote above "OK, we won a game yesterday. If we win today, it's called 'two in a row'. And if we win again tomorrow, it's called a 'winning streak'."

The point here isn't to make some arbitrary measurement for success. The entire scoring system in football is arbitrary. I ask rhetorically, why is a touchdown worth 6 points and a safety 2?
And, even if we would say that any amount of games won in a row only gets counted once, that doesn't change the narrative that the data will present.

Second, let's quickly define our scope of history to include.
Going back to the creation of the Big 8 in 1960 seems reasonable.

Ok, here is the data.
The Iowa State Football Sports-Reference.com page was used to gather data

Coach​
Year​
Teams Defeated​
Stapleton​
1960​
OK St, OK, KSU​
Bruce​
1976​
KSU, KU, Neb​
1978​
KU, KSU, OK St​
KSU, OK St, Colo​
Walden​
1989​
KSU, Mizz, OK St​
McCarney​
2000​
Colo, KU, Pitt​
2002​
KU, Iowa, Neb​
Iowa, Neb, TTU​
2004​
BU, KU, Neb​
KU, Neb, KSU​
2005​
OK St, A&M, KSU​
A&M, KSU, Colo​
Rhoads​
2011​
TTU, KU, OK St​
Campbell​
2017​
OK, KU, TTU​
2017​
KU, TTU, TCU​
2018​
OK St, WVU, TTU​
WVU, TTU, KU​
TTU, KU, BU​
2019​
TCU, WVU, TTU​
2020​
TCU, OU, TTU​
KU, BU, KSU​
BU, KSU, Texas​
KSU, Texas, WVU​
2021​
KU, KSU, OK St​
2023​
TCU, Cin, BU​

Simply put, we have had 25 winning streaks in our history, and Coach Campbell has 12 of them.
If we flip our arbitrary logic to just say any amount of wins is a winning streak, then we have 18 total and Campbell claiming 7 of them.
And, yes, we will all notice how often Kansas is involved in these events.


This leads to a natural, next question - How many losing streaks have we had?
Well, I started counting them using the same logic and I didn't get very far before coming up with the answer "way too many".
Instead, let's just look for any entire season where we avoided losing 3 games in a row to any opponent. The conference of the opponent does not matter in this measurement.

Coach​
Year​
Stapleton​
1961​
1963​
1965​
Majors​
1971​
Bruce​
1976​
1977​
Criner​
1986​
Walden​
1990​
McCarney​
2000​
Rhoads​
2009​
2012​
Campbell​
2017​
2018​
2019​
2020​
2021​
2023​

We see more entries from the earlier years. There were less games per season back then, so that would seem to correlate.
This data is less interesting, since we're looking for years where we were potentially "less bad", but it still shows Campbell doing a better job than everyone else that came before him.

Ok, final item to show Matt Campbell's product has been great compared to Iowa State's history.
How often have we had a winning record in conference games?
The past hurts, but the present is overwhelmingly good.

Coach​
Year​
Wins​
Losses​
Stapleton​
1960​
4​
3​
Majors​
1971​
4​
3​
Bruce​
1976​
4​
3​
1977​
5​
2​
1978​
4​
3​
Walden​
1989​
4​
3​
McCarney​
2000​
5​
3​
Campbell​
2017​
5​
4​
2018​
6​
3​
2019​
5​
4​
2020​
8​
1​
2021​
5​
4​
2023​
6​
3​

The 1960 team sneaks in to make the data cutoff like they did for the 3-game winning streak table.
So, of the 13 times we have had a winning record against conference foes, Campbell has 6 of them.
In my opinion, this is maybe the best indicator of his successes at Iowa State.


In closing, if we have a winning record in conference games and also have a winning streak this year then Campbell will have HALF of each of these measurements from 1960 through today. That spans 10 different head coaches.

What else comes to mind when thinking about Matt Campbell's success here?
 
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And yet some fools will yell "hot seat" or post about "celebrating mediocrity" and how bad the coaching is. I mean sure, some individual decisions are questionable but looking at the body of work this is our football high water mark.

You could also argue that he's been doing this against the highest consistent competition. We all know about the Big 12 North, where most of McCarney's wins came from (and I LOVED McCarney so don't take this the wrong way). And Earl Bruce had that one season where all three losses were against Top 3 teams. But Campbell has us consistently playing competitive football against Top 20 opponents for the past 6 years. That has NEVER happened here before.
 

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And yet some fools will yell "hot seat" or post about "celebrating mediocrity" and how bad the coaching is. I mean sure, some individual decisions are questionable but looking at the body of work this is our football high water mark.

You could also argue that he's been doing this against the highest consistent competition. We all know about the Big 12 North, where most of McCarney's wins came from (and I LOVED McCarney so don't take this the wrong way). And Earl Bruce had that one season where all three losses were against Top 3 teams. But Campbell has us consistently playing competitive football against Top 20 opponents for the past 6 years. That has NEVER happened here before.
when it comes to wins/losses this is mccarney

now.. i know he did more for the program outside of wins/losses
 

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And yet some fools will yell "hot seat" or post about "celebrating mediocrity" and how bad the coaching is. I mean sure, some individual decisions are questionable but looking at the body of work this is our football high water mark.

You could also argue that he's been doing this against the highest consistent competition. We all know about the Big 12 North, where most of McCarney's wins came from (and I LOVED McCarney so don't take this the wrong way). And Earl Bruce had that one season where all three losses were against Top 3 teams. But Campbell has us consistently playing competitive football against Top 20 opponents for the past 6 years. That has NEVER happened here before.
This mindset of some fans you reference, though rare, is loud enough and asinine enough that I felt compelled to help show a little more info and perspective with this thread.
 

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I have complied ISU football info going back to Johnny Majors 1968 season. I look at opponents record at the end of the season to view their overall performance. Matt Campbell has 7 loses to teams that finished the season with a losing record. His worst loss is to UNI (5-6) his first game as the ISU coach 20-25. McCarney had 20 losses to teams with a losing record and his worst was 11 years into his coaching career at ISU losing 16-33 to Colorado (2-10).
 

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I almost hesitated posting here. The last time I posted something about Campbell I either didn't make my point well enough or others misinterpreted what I said.

My "expectations" for ISU is to win 8-10 games a year and go to a good bowl (no offense to the Liberty Bowl, but that one is played out as far as I am concerned)

To be clear, those are my expectations. Am I disappointed if ISU wins only 7 games? Yes. Am I disappointed in Campbell as a coach? No.

I don't know if the Iowa State football program has a curse or what, but little things happen that has prevented Campbell and Iowa State from picking up that extra much needed win or two -- the debacle at Snyder's "last game" at K-State (two picked up flags and motion by K-State on the winning touchdown play), a punt return getting called back against Kansas last season because ref ruled the runner went out of bounds when clearly he did not, a dropped TD pass by a normally sure-handed receiver against Texas, etc.

The argument would be good teams overcome those calls. True, but when the margin is slim between winning and losing for a team like Iowa State those calls are killers.

Wouldn't trade Campbell for any coach right now. I still like to see Iowa State win 8-10 games consistently. That is just me
 

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To add to how Coach Campbell has raised the floor of Iowa State Football, I wanted to update and re-share the chart below. The chart shows the breakdown of point differentials by game for each ISU head coach since the beginning of the Big 12-era. I first put this together in 2022 when the discourse about Campbell consistently losing 1-score games was the big talking point.

The data shows that, yes, the Cyclones have lost more 1-score games since Campbell took over, but only because there are significantly fewer blowout losses. It is telling how going into Season 9 of the Campbell era, the expectations from this fanbase have increased, and that is a credit to what Campbell has achieved in his time here.

15+8 to 141 to 7-1 to -7-8 to -14-15+
Dan McCarney
21​
11​
21​
23​
10​
44​
Gene Chizik
2​
1​
2​
4​
7​
8​
Paul Rhoads
14​
6​
12​
17​
8​
30​
Matt Campbell
26​
9​
18​
30​
10​
8​

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To add to how Coach Campbell has raised the floor of Iowa State Football, I wanted to update and re-share the chart below. The chart shows the breakdown of point differentials by game for each ISU head coach since the beginning of the Big 12-era. I first put this together in 2022 when the discourse about Campbell consistently losing 1-score games was the big talking point.

The data shows that, yes, the Cyclones have lost more 1-score games since Campbell took over, but only because there are significantly fewer blowout losses. It is telling how going into Season 9 of the Campbell era, the expectations from this fanbase have increased, and that is a credit to what Campbell has achieved in his time here.

15+8 to 141 to 7-1 to -7-8 to -14-15+
Dan McCarney
21​
11​
21​
23​
10​
44​
Gene Chizik
2​
1​
2​
4​
7​
8​
Paul Rhoads
14​
6​
12​
17​
8​
30​
Matt Campbell
26​
9​
18​
30​
10​
8​

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So, basically...

Campbell doesn't always win but he's almost never blown out.

Such huge blowouts used to be common and are now rare -- went from something like four times per season in the pre-Campbell era down to something like once per season.

Campbell would really benefit from either some luck or some skill in close games.
 

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@BMWallace
This is great perspective too.

As @Cyrocks was somewhat implying, close games come down to a play or two going the wrong way. Coin flips, if you will.

Campbell has won 37.5% of games decided by 7 point or less, 18 out of 48.
If we could substitute the results and win 62.5% of games decided by 7 points or less over the last 8 seasons, we go from averaging about 6.5 wins to 8 wins.
Right around an expectation of 8-10 wins that I think few would or should take exception with.

The problem would be if someone has expectations that are above what Iowa State has barely ever achieved, and then they take the next step of saying that if they are not met then it is a failure. And then arguing that a corrective action should be taken because of that.
 

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Also worth noting, Campbell sits at 53 total wins at ISU, just 3 behind McCarney for most wins for an ISU head coach. It took 12 years for Mac to reach 56, while Campbell has a realistic shot to be there in his 9th season.
 

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So, basically...

Campbell doesn't always win but he's almost never blown out.

Such huge blowouts used to be common and are now rare -- went from something like four times per season in the pre-Campbell era down to something like once per season.

Campbell would really benefit from either some luck or some skill in close games.

And not getting blown out still gives you a chance. It can go either way but in a close game, it only takes one or two plays to heavily influence the outcome.
 

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To make things even more gloomy from a historical perspective. ISU has lost 147 games since 1968 by 21 pts or more. Out of 652 games played that is a 23% loss ratio. Matt Campbell has 7 of those losses and 4 were in his first year 2016.

History helps put in perspective how good Campbell has been for Iowa State.
 

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