Social Distancing at ISU

[SpokaneCY]

So save some money and cancel your health insurance. Spend it on beer and maybe a ***** or two

Stupid to cancel insurance now the you can seek counseling for microaggressions...

 

[CloneIce]

Kansas just set an all-time high of 855 cases. Nationwide decline is because of the sun-belt sates that recently spiked went down in numbers

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/11/1006366/immunity-slowing-down-coronavirus-parts-us/

What is known is that after rising at an alarming pace starting in May, new cases of covid-19 in Sun Belt states like Florida have started to fall. Some of that may be due to social distancing behavior, but rising rates of immunity are also a factor, according to Youyang Gu, a computer scientist whose Covid-19 Projections is among 34 pandemic models tracked by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“Immunity may play a significant part in the regions that are declining,” says Gu. At least until the fall, which is how far his models look forward, he says, “I don’t think there is going to be another spike” of infections in southern states

Yes, and rates have gone down in the Kansas counties with mask mandates (where most people live) while increasing in counties that don’t require masks. The data shows masks are helping. See article below. And of course basic common sense tells us the same.

Don’t forget those sun belt states placed major restrictions on bars and other high risk areas. That surely has helped too.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article244959870.html

 

[Cyientist]

For this virus, it's very likely compared to others. It's why it's such a problem.

I can't get behind the herd immunity thing...cases are seeing a slight uptick in places like Italy where it was theorized that it was basically done.

I DO think way more people have it or have had it than is confirmed.

I was pretty far away from believing that we could safely get to a herd immunity level, but am starting to think we may see somewhat of a hybrid herd-immunity level to get things back under control. Society as a whole may not need to reach herd immunity levels if we keep the distancing/mask wearing protocols. Unfortunately there is a high risk to exposure group due to employment, living conditions, and behaviors that do a majority of the spreading. If that group can reach a herd immunity maybe we only need 15-20% of society instead of 40-60% to reach an immunity level where we can get this back under control and make risks minimal.

For it to work, we need to keep the distancing/mask rule in place long enough to make a difference. I also don't want to sound callous to the high risk to exposure group, I'd consider my wife in it since she is a school teacher, but it gives me hope that we can cap this thing off under 300,000 deaths instead of going back to May where we were seeing 2,000+ die per day.

For me it comes down to what is going on in New York. It was horrific what happened in the spring, but now their numbers look similar to what we are seeing in Iowa. They are probably doing a better job at mask wearing, but even so it seems like there is some sort of immunity level reached to considerably slow the spread. Once again, I'm not saying they reached an immunity level safely, just that there is a shot that the level needed may be lower than we originally thought.

 

[3GenClone]

I was pretty far away from believing that we could safely get to a herd immunity level, but am starting to think we may see somewhat of a hybrid herd-immunity level to get things back under control. Society as a whole may not need to reach herd immunity levels if we keep the distancing/mask wearing protocols. Unfortunately there is a high risk to exposure group due to employment, living conditions, and behaviors that do a majority of the spreading. If that group can reach a herd immunity maybe we only need 15-20% of society instead of 40-60% to reach an immunity level where we can get this back under control and make risks minimal.

For it to work, we need to keep the distancing/mask rule in place long enough to make a difference. I also don't want to sound callous to the high risk to exposure group, I'd consider my wife in it since she is a school teacher, but it gives me hope that we can cap this thing off under 300,000 deaths instead of going back to May where we were seeing 2,000+ die per day.

For me it comes down to what is going on in New York. It was horrific what happened in the spring, but now their numbers look similar to what we are seeing in Iowa. They are probably doing a better job at mask wearing, but even so it seems like there is some sort of immunity level reached to considerably slow the spread. Once again, I'm not saying they reached an immunity level safely, just that there is a shot that the level needed may be lower than we originally thought.

Did you see what the Governor of Mississippi said about Herd Immunity? That state alone would need to triple the rate of positive cases every day for an entire year just to make it to 40% of the population.


Herd Immunity is not realistic in the short-term

 

[akclone]

Good for those kids. It's time to move on.

 

[CloneJD]

Did you see what the Governor of Mississippi said about Herd Immunity? That state alone would need to triple the rate of positive cases every day for an entire year just to make it to 40% of the population.


Herd Immunity is not realistic in the short-term

I think most estimates say there are about 10 un-diagnosed cases to every one diagnosed case. We aren't close to "immunity" by any sense but clearly the infection rate is slowing down the transmission rate in some areas. Being we are a long ways away from a widely available vaccine, it'll be interesting to see how things progress until the end of hte year.

Hopefully the combination of infection rates, social distancing, wearing masks when in close quarters with others and common sense can drive things down.

 

[CloneIce]

I think most estimates say there are about 10 un-diagnosed cases to every one diagnosed case. We aren't close to "immunity" by any sense but clearly the infection rate is slowing down the transmission rate in some areas. Being we are a long ways away from a widely available vaccine, it'll be interesting to see how things progress until the end of hte year.

Hopefully the combination of infection rates, social distancing, wearing masks when in close quarters with others and common sense can drive things down.

Those estimates say 3 to 10 depending on the area, testing etc. So it’s likely somewhere in between the two and your 10 is likely an overstatement for most of the country.

Agree on the rest of your post

 

[Cyientist]

Did you see what the Governor of Mississippi said about Herd Immunity? That state alone would need to triple the rate of positive cases every day for an entire year just to make it to 40% of the population.


Herd Immunity is not realistic in the short-term

Agreed. I wasn't trying to make the case that we are getting there safely, but to get this thing under control, we may be able to get there prior to hitting a 40% infected level as long as we keep distancing/mask wearing in place.

 

[Clonefan32]

I'm actually surprised kids in that demographic went along with social distancing rules as long as they did. This was always inevitable when you opened college campuses back up. Anyone who thought these kids would either be in class or in their dorms doesn't know 18-22 year olds.

I think they've known for a while they will be sending kids home soon. They just wanted to bring them all back so they could justify full tuition and place the blame for not having in person on the students.

 

[brett108]

I'm actually surprised kids in that demographic went along with social distancing rules as long as they did. This was always inevitable when you opened college campuses back up. Anyone who thought these kids would either be in class or in their dorms doesn't know 18-22 year olds.

I think they've known for a while they will be sending kids home soon. They just wanted to bring them all back so they could justify full tuition and place the blame for not having in person on the students.

Lets not call them kids. By all standards they have the rights and responsibilities of an adult. I always hate calling college aged students children. They may act like children but they do no fit the definition of a child. They can and should be doing better.

 

[Clonefan32]

Lets not call them kids. By all standards they have the rights and responsibilities of an adult. I always hate calling college aged students children. They may act like children but they do no fit the definition of a child. They can and should be doing better.

Fair enough-- young adults.

And should they be doing better? Probably. But none of this should come as a surprise.

 

[Rabbuk]

Lets not call them kids. By all standards they have the rights and responsibilities of an adult. I always hate calling college aged students children. They may act like children but they do no fit the definition of a child. They can and should be doing better.

A lot of these "kids" would be over in Vietnam if they had been born earlier.

 

[SpokaneCY]

A lot of these "kids" would be over in Vietnam if they had been born earlier.

Very few kids at that age have a worldview where they are NOT at the center. Been that way forever.

 

[ArgentCy]

Somebody doesn’t believe in personal responsibility. What about the guy in Cali who attended a party knowingly infected, then his friend got it from him and died? To me, that guy is responsible. That is just one anecdotal account and of course there are many others, but it all boils down to personal responsibility. If you know you have it and put others at risk, you are responsible for what happens.

I won’t get into the macro level on this post and address failed and incompetent govt responses.

What if they have an N95 mask on? Which clearly does nothing because it just vents the air out. What if two people breathe in their face? The problem here is that you have no idea who or when you were infected.

Now if you know you have the virus, feel like heck, and then run around screaming in people's face's that's a problem But almost no one is going to do that.

 

[Spam]

After a disastrous first few days of inviting students back to campus, it sounds like UNC decided to move all undergrad classes online.

 

[3GenClone]

After a disastrous first few days of inviting students back to campus, it sounds like UNC decided to move all undergrad classes online.

 

[madguy30]

Couldn't even get to September.

 

[Clonefan32]

So can kids opt out and get their tuition back? Seems to me this is just a ploy to get them back to campus so they can collection full tuition.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Good effort guys.

 

[brett108]

So the rate of infection quintupled in a week of partying? Yeah get these "kids" out of there. And stop asking the taxpayer to pay for your loans. That money seems like its going into a black hole based on the intelligent decisions alot of students appear to be making.