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enisthemenace

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Maybe he's referring to his first time around, where, coming out of Canada, he only received offers from powers Buffalo, Fresno State and Maine.
 
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This is such an interesting byplay, at least for me, to see Edwards' game now, given all the poopoo he's generated from a number of ISU fans as him being little more than an Ames reject. So, I thought Justin's comment this morning would be of interest, and even if not would keep the discussion on a burner, albeit the back one.
 
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Cyclonin

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I would hope he wants to show all the schools he plays what he can do. It's good to have a player with a chip on their shoulder. I think he'll be a good player for KSU.

I honestly don't remember the complete story with him, did we really not want him? Was it a case where Fred stopped recruiting him?
 
CyArob

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I'm 99.999% sure he's talking about no one recruiting him out of high school.
 
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ISU may have passed on him for reasons other than talent. Our other players may not have meshed well with him, or maybe at that point, Fred realized that he would rather take a chance on getting an immediate transfer for 2013/14, rather than have Justin sit for a year.
 
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surly said:
"I want to show the big schools that didn’t want me what I can do." Justin Edwards

Or should I say 'the' big school?

http://m.cjonline.com/sports/2014-10-30/k-states-edwards-eager-prove-himself-bigger-stage#gsc.tab=0
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It depends on context. Power 5 conference schools and the mid major powers are the "big schools," ie Creighton, Gonzaga, etc. I think that's what he's talking about in the article.

You can get more specific, of course. I'd define tiers as follows:

"Big Schools" Tier 1: Teams that regularly compete for and win national titles. Examples: Duke, UCONN, Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas, Michigan State.

Tier 2: Teams that have been to the final 4 more than 5x and have won a national title in the last 25 years. Examples: Louisville, Indiana, Arkansas, Maryland.

Tier 3: Teams who are regularly in the NCAAT and have won recent conference tourneys and won NCAAT games. Examples: Texas, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Memphis, Tennessee, Oregon, Wisconsin, Gonzaga.

Tier 4: Teams with historical success that have not won a national title in 25-30+ years and have not had consistent success in that span. Examples: LSU, NC State, Seton Hall, Purdue, Cinci.

Tier 5: Teams that have occasional success but haven't won anything (at least in a very long time) Examples: Oregon, Vanderbilt, K State, Alabama.

Tier 6: Teams that are occasionally ranked in the Top 25 and make the tourney once in awhile: Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Miami.

Tier 7: Power 5 Conference doormats. Examples: Auburn, Oregon St, TCU.

Tier 8: Mid Major Doormats. Examples: Southern Illinois, Portland, Boise State.

Tier 9: The Sunbelt Conference type schools. Examples: ULM, UNT.

Tier 10: The University of Iowa.

***This is obviously subjective. Tiers 2-3 could be merged. Some teams are impossible to place. Like Florida -- one of the best teams in America and clearly Tier 1 under Donovan, but zero historical success like a UNC or UK.

***EDIT*** I had Wisconsin too low. Fixed it.
 
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Cyclonin

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razorbackinkc said:
It depends on context. Power 5 conference schools and the mid major powers are the "big schools," ie Creighton, Gonzaga, etc. I think that's what he's talking about in the article.

You can get more specific, of course. I'd define tiers as follows:

"Big Schools" Tier 1: Teams that regularly compete for and win national titles. Examples: Duke, UCONN, Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas, Michigan State.

Tier 2: Teams that have been to the final 4 more than 5x and have won a national title in the last 25 years. Examples: Louisville, Indiana, Arkansas, Maryland.

Tier 3: Teams who are regularly in the NCAAT and have won recent conference tourneys and won NCAAT games. Examples: Texas, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Memphis, Tennessee, Oregon, Gonzaga.

Tier 4: Teams with historical success that have not won a national title in 25-30+ years and have not had consistent success in that span. Examples: LSU, NC State, Seton Hall, Purdue, Cinci.

Tier 5: Teams that have occasional success but haven't won anything (at least in a very long time) Examples: Oregon, Vanderbilt, K State, Alabama, Wisconsin.

Tier 6: Teams that are occasionally ranked in the Top 25 and make the tourney once in awhile: Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Miami.

Tier 7: Power 5 Conference doormats. Examples: Auburn, Oregon St, TCU.

Tier 8: Mid Major Doormats. Examples: Southern Illinois, Portland, Boise State.

Tier 9: The Sunbelt Conference type schools. Examples: ULM, UNT.

Tier 10: The University of Iowa.

***This is obviously subjective. Tiers 2-3 could be merged. Some teams are impossible to place. Like Florida -- one of the best teams in America and clearly Tier 1 under Donovan, but zero historical success like a UNC or UK.
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Love the Tier 10.

Where do you put teams like Creighton, UNI, Wichita St, etc?
 
enisthemenace

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razorbackinkc said:
It depends on context. Power 5 conference schools and the mid major powers are the "big schools," ie Creighton, Gonzaga, etc. I think that's what he's talking about in the article.

You can get more specific, of course. I'd define tiers as follows:

"Big Schools" Tier 1: Teams that regularly compete for and win national titles. Examples: Duke, UCONN, Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas, Michigan State.

Tier 2: Teams that have been to the final 4 more than 5x and have won a national title in the last 25 years. Examples: Louisville, Indiana, Arkansas, Maryland.

Tier 3: Teams who are regularly in the NCAAT and have won recent conference tourneys and won NCAAT games. Examples: Texas, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Memphis, Tennessee, Oregon, Gonzaga.

Tier 4: Teams with historical success that have not won a national title in 25-30+ years and have not had consistent success in that span. Examples: LSU, NC State, Seton Hall, Purdue, Cinci.

Tier 5: Teams that have occasional success but haven't won anything (at least in a very long time) Examples: Oregon, Vanderbilt, K State, Alabama, Wisconsin.

Tier 6: Teams that are occasionally ranked in the Top 25 and make the tourney once in awhile: Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Miami.

Tier 7: Power 5 Conference doormats. Examples: Auburn, Oregon St, TCU.

Tier 8: Mid Major Doormats. Examples: Southern Illinois, Portland, Boise State.

Tier 9: The Sunbelt Conference type schools. Examples: ULM, UNT.

Tier 10: The University of Iowa.
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I see what you did here. Pandering to your audience with your Tier 10, while trying to sneak Arkansas into the tier directly below the blue bloods.

Sorry...Arkansas hasn't been relevant since Nolan Richardson, and that was a LONG time ago. You have Arkansas 3 tiers higher than Wisconsin? You're stoned.
 
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razorbackinkc

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enisthemenace said:
I see what you did here. Pandering to your audience with your Tier 10, while trying to sneak Arkansas into the tier directly below the blue bloods?

Sorry...Arkansas hasn't been relevant since Norm Richardson, and that was a LONG time ago. You have Arkansas 3 tiers higher than Wisconsin? You're stoned.
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It's all about how you define the tiers.

If you're going just last 10 years -- Arkansas is tier 6. Last 20 years, tier 2. Last 30 years, tier 2. 2010's: Tier 6. 2000's: Tier 6. 1990's: Tier 1. All Time: tier 2.

I am 100% with you when we're talking just last 10 years. My tiers were historical.
 
Cyclonesince78

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While I enjoyed tier 10, there aren't that many damn tiers. Tier 1 is bluebloods. Tier 2 should be teams that are consistently in the tourney and top 25. I don't really care about what the team did in the 1980's. ISU appears to be locked in at tier 2 at the moment.
 
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