Report: OU & Texas reach out to join SEC

[SEIOWA CLONE]

That's why you don't add just one school - bring 5 so they have some geographic rivals and shorter trips. The P12 is already massively spread out geographically - no one is driving from Salt Lake City to Eugene. Other than in state rivals they're flying everywhere already. I think football is eventually going to just break away, at which point non-revenue sport travel won't be a factor.

If a conference like the American can make that geography work with 1/7th the budget of the B10, I don't really think geography is an issue.

If they bring 5, they still have to add a 6th team, so lets say KU is that team. you go with 4 five team pods. The West coast teams now have 4 "close" games, but then have to fly at least one to three time zones away for the other 3 road games. Some how I just do not see the Big 10 teams in the eastern time zone real thrilled about making that trip a couple times a year. But BB teams would be a nightmare.

All the AAC conference school are either in the Eastern or Central time zones, the furthest school to the west is SMU.
Little different than Oregon and Washington to Maryland and Rutgers.

 

[HFCS]

I wouldn’t think it was wise in ANY scenario to ditch brands and inventory, and hell media markets for that matter on such a risky proposition that would blow up college football. This is not likely to be that bold with the spider-web or legality, who’s tied to who, inner conference voting.

Exactly, short term cash grabs can often sabotage long term gains.

This does happen all the time in the rest of the business world though. It happens every day and even in ways that are existential threats to life.

Making 80% of the Pac/Big 12/ACC eventually irrelevant lesser division is not smart long term growth. Especially when we're talking about loyal passionate fans that are currently easy to draw in unless you blow up what they like.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I think if we're holding out hope for Big 10 or even Pac-12, we're wishing pretty hard.

If the safety net is we end up in AAC and ISU has to expend all of its energy to make one other outcome happen, where do you want that energy to go? What exactly are we selling to the BIG or Pac-12?

At least by trying to nab a non-Bama/Clemson/Ohio St and convincing them they can now be the elite of our conference with a 1.5 share, power, and a clear path to the playoff, you are selling at least something they want.

You know why we’re holding out for the Big 10 or PAC 12? Anything less than that is death for the ISU AD. A repackaged Big 12 without UT and OU or the AAC/MWC is the end of relevancy for ISU athletics. That’s the simple truth and why nobody here wants to talk about it.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

If they bring 5, they still have to add a 6th team, so lets say KU is that team. you go with 4 five team pods. The West coast teams now have 4 "close" games, but then have to fly at least one to three time zones away for the other 3 road games. Some how I just do not see the Big 10 teams in the eastern time zone real thrilled about making that trip a couple times a year. But BB teams would be a nightmare.

All the AAC conference school are either in the Eastern or Central time zones, the furthest school to the west is SMU.
Little different than Oregon and Washington to Maryland and Rutgers.

The AAC isn't sustainable as it is. Philadelphia to Tampa to Wichita is just a ridiculous amount of land to cover.

 

[HFCS]

the left out 8 plus who? AZ and ASU maybe? Without Texas, maybe CO wants to come back, especially if they aren't part of the B1G/12PACK merger?

I'd call all of those longshots, which leaves, who? Memphis, Cinncy, UH.... I wonder if their payday would be better in that kind of B12 or staying where they are in the AAC?

Leftovers league if there is no major shifts among big10/pac/acc would just be something like adding Cincy, Houston, maybe BYU (because at some point they are just easily the biggest athletic dept/fan base left) and maybe a fourth to get to 12.

I've always thought USF/UCF is a reach but that would be brought up too.

I think if Texas and OU had held strong the Arizona schools would have jumped to join our previous 10 and that could have been a very solid 12 team Big 12.

Now we're back to hoping the Pac would add a pod of Big 12 leftovers.

 

[Rods79]

Exactly, short term cash grabs can often sabotage long term gains.

This does happen all the time in the rest of the business world though. It happens every day and even in ways that are existential threats to life.

Making 80% of the Pac/Big 12/ACC eventually irrelevant lesser division is not smart long term growth. Especially when we're talking about loyal passionate fans that are currently easy to draw in unless you blow up what they like.

I’d also add that the SEC and the ACC aren’t talking about ditching brands right now and purging the Vandy’s and Wake Forests of the world.

 

[HFCS]

The AAC isn't sustainable as it is. Philadelphia to Tampa to Wichita is just a ridiculous amount of land to cover.

I think what some people are pointing out is that for many decades USC/UCLA have been on opposite corners of the country from Washington.

Pac has always been spread out. The other conferences are just now starting to sprawl that far with things like Rutgers to Nebraska.

 

[Dandy]

With conference realignment can we also get conference renaming?

Big 12 = not 12 teams
Big 10 = not 10 teams
PAC12 = not all Pacific or 12 teams (assume)
ACC = not all Atlantic coastal teams
SEC = not all in South East
AAC = American? Really? So creative.

 

[JusHappy2BeHere]

With conference realignment can we also get conference renaming?

Big 12 = not 12 teams
Big 10 = not 10 teams
PAC12 = not all Pacific or 12 teams (assume)
ACC = not all Atlantic coastal teams
SEC = not all in South East
AAC = American? Really? So creative.

no Truth in branding..... sad

 

[CydeOut]

You know why we’re holding out for the Big 10 or PAC 12? Anything less than that is death for the ISU AD. A repackaged Big 12 without UT and OU or the AAC/MWC is the end of relevancy for ISU athletics. That’s the simple truth and why nobody here wants to talk about it.

Of course, but we don't have much to offer, unfortunately. Bowlsby thought he was safe when he wasn't and the SEC stayed on offense and here we are.

Hoping for a BIG or Pac-12 invitation when you are, unfortunately, irrelevant on a national-level is a massive wish...and one that the other 7 schools in our conference likely understands. I'm saying, is there an offensive/aggressive approach we can take to attract 2-4 brands to stay afloat? I think 1.5 shares, power, and a clear path to the playoff could be enticing to the right schools...just have to find the right schools.

USC may be a prime candidate, offer them an immediate $55 million distribution (1.5 share). The PAC-12 isn't much safer than the Big 12 was 1 week ago, if they lose USC and UCLA/Oregon, we've effectively traded situations and put the PAC-12 in panic mode. A&M may be willing to listen if it means they can avoid TEX and be the elite of the conference, who knows? There is at least a reason to go and be aggressive with the right schools.

 

[Gunnerclone]

On field football performance does seem to be a total afterthought outside of Oklahoma/Texas. Rutgers, Maryland and even KU somehow thought of as better football additions to a conference than Baylor, TCU, and OK State (I still can't bring my self to call ISU football success until it lasts longer, don't want to jinx it).

WVU is another school that has been unwanted in all of this in spite of pretty consistent football program all the way back to the early 90s. They also have had very consistent hoops success but hoops seems to only be valued for a true blue blood...and we saw Louisville wasn't even wanted by the desperate Big 12 last round despite hoops credentials.

All of the schools you mentioned being nothing to the other (much bigger) side of conference affiliation.

 

[Gonzo]

no Truth in branding..... sad

"Marlboros... Pulmonary cancer? Maybe. Great taste? For sure."

 

[Cyched]

If the B10 doesn’t poach any PAC schools, could Fox set up a partnership between the two leagues?

Both leagues take B12 leftovers to get to 16. Then sign a TV deal that includes a scheduling alliance that B10 plays PAC in the non con.

Just spitballing ideas.

 

[JusHappy2BeHere]

If the B10 doesn’t poach any PAC schools, could Fox set up a partnership between the two leagues?

Both leagues take B12 leftovers to get to 16. Then sign a TV deal that includes a scheduling alliance that B10 plays PAC in the non con.

Just spitballing ideas.

I'd take that right now.

Can you call Fox for us?

 

[CydeOut]

If the B10 doesn’t poach any PAC schools, could Fox set up a partnership between the two leagues?

Both leagues take B12 leftovers to get to 16. Then sign a TV deal that includes a scheduling alliance that B10 plays PAC in the non con.

Just spitballing ideas.

FOX certainly has to answer ESPN and what is happening with SEC. This would certainly be a positive outcome for us.

 

[Cyched]

I'd take that right now.

Can you call Fox for us?

Problem is with two 16 team leagues there’d be two odd men out. Don’t know how that’d shake out.

 

[Statefan10]

 

[HFCS]

All of the schools you mentioned being nothing to the other (much bigger) side of conference affiliation.

I'm not arguing against you. I was just pointing out that winning at football hasn't seemed to matter with the exception of the OU/Texas move.

At some point there is a real amount of eyeballs that care.

The EPL wouldn't be stronger if every English soccer fan just supported the top 4 teams.

They went through the same thing a few months ago. The few top teams would benefit from a super league. Soccer as a whole and televising soccer would not have gained $ from relegating all but a dozen teams to some sub standard division. Having 200-300 clubs across europe that all have access to a champions league title is already maxing out revenue, it's a question of maxing out revenue on the whole or maximizing Barcelona/Juve/ManU revenue.

It's a parallel situation. Maxing out the SEC's or SEC/Big Ten revenue does not automatically max out college football revenue. It definitely doesn't if they have to eliminate dozens of sold out gigantic stadiums from the picture.

 

[BCClone]

Problem is with two 16 team leagues there’d be two odd men out. Don’t know how that’d shake out.

Baylor and kstate I would assume.

 

[Rods79]

If the B10 doesn’t poach any PAC schools, could Fox set up a partnership between the two leagues?

Both leagues take B12 leftovers to get to 16. Then sign a TV deal that includes a scheduling alliance that B10 plays PAC in the non con.

Just spitballing ideas.

Would be a smart quick move to lockdown your inventory from ESPN if you have any desires of staying in the college football sector.

Brutus and the Wolverine are half owned by ESPN right now. Fox has a chance to buy them up just like ESPN bought up TX/OU