Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

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So if the Pac-6 does poach Memphis+Tulane, which is the stronger league between the AAC and the Sunbelt? The AAC has enough schools that they wouldn't need to add again, but would they even be able to raid the Sun Belt at that point, or would they have to draw from CUSA?
 

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This is where we are heading, the only question is the number of teams that make the cut.
No we’re not because ratings would crater and they couldn’t afford the payouts when you cut that many people out of the equation. If a new league was formed it would most likely look a lot like the P4 currently as far as membership
 

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No we’re not because ratings would crater and they couldn’t afford the payouts when you cut that many people out of the equation. If a new league was formed it would most likely look a lot like the P4 currently as far as membership
This year is kind of a benchmark to see if aggregating the biggest brands into two central conferences hurts CFB ratings overall.

If it doesn’t, when the per-team revenue growth stagnates (which it will eventually), there will be movement to a super league because it maximizes revenue for the big brands
 

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No we’re not because ratings would crater and they couldn’t afford the payouts when you cut that many people out of the equation. If a new league was formed it would most likely look a lot like the P4 currently as far as membership
Those teams will likely experience a soft relegation at most. They’ll technically have a seat at the table, but they’ll be more like fodder for the larger brands to beat up on. They’ll never be kicked out.

I have to wonder: Will Unequal Revenue Sharing hit the P2?
 

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Those teams will likely experience a soft relegation at most. They’ll technically have a seat at the table, but they’ll be more like fodder for the larger brands to beat up on. They’ll never be kicked out.

I have to wonder: Will Unequal Revenue Sharing hit the P2?
Nope. Only one conference has ever done unequal revenue sharing and we all know how much chaos ensued.
 
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This year is kind of a benchmark to see if aggregating the biggest brands into two central conferences hurts CFB ratings overall.

If it doesn’t, when the per-team revenue growth stagnates (which it will eventually), there will be movement to a super league because it maximizes revenue for the big brands
Nah because you still have the other conferences in play providing story lines and great content. Super league cuts all those eyeballs out which is why no one has seriously talked about it outside of message boards and throw away comments
 

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Nope. Only one conference has ever done unequal revenue sharing and we all know how much chaos ensued.

If the tv stations tell the cream of the crop that they'll pay more per school if the top halves of the SEC and Big 10 break away into their own conference, I guarantee it would be given strong consideration by those blue bloods. Especially if those who created the unequal revenue sharing in the Big 12 (UT, A&M, Ok, and Neb) are the haves in that equation.

I agree with you that logically you don't want to dump programs and lose eyeballs, however it's happened before in this realignment chaos and could easily happen again.
 
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If the tv stations tell the cream of the crop that they'll pay more per school if the top halves of the SEC and Big 10 break away into their own conference, I guarantee it would be given strong consideration by those blue bloods. Especially if those who created the unequal revenue sharing in the Big 12 (UT, A&M, Ok, and Neb) are the haves in that equation.

I agree with you that logically you don't want to dump programs and lose eyeballs, however it's happened before in this realignment chaos and could easily happen again.
Except it hasn’t happened with the realignment chaos, not yet at least.

I also disagree on the first part but if it was being considered then yeah those schools would most likely be the drivers, maybe not Nebraska as they have seen what rock bottom looks like
 

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Nah because you still have the other conferences in play providing story lines and great content. Super league cuts all those eyeballs out which is why no one has seriously talked about it outside of message boards and throw away comments
I want to discern my opinion vs what I think will happen. I agree a Super League would hurt the product and viewership long term. But that won’t be what the powers-that-be look at (because that never is what executives who aren’t founders look at). They’ll want to maximize short-term benefits.

And the way they’ll need to do that is invest less in less lucrative entities and invest more in their cash cows.

TV money will dry up. That’s as close to a fact as possible. ESPN/Fox operate on a legacy, dying product (cable). The avenue for growth (streaming) has not shown itself to be as profitable as cable in its hey day and therefore there is less revenue for all involved.

Like any industry that is struggling, they have/will a.) cut costs b.) reallocate funds to better-performing areas or c.) both. So, when execs asses are in the line because stock prices are dipping, they’re going to make strategic decisions like a, b, or c that maximize short-term benefits. In this case, investing more in programs that drive more viewership and divest in those that don’t
 

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In addition, this Super League notion isn’t just made up out of thin air. There are decision-makers who have openly discussed this as a possibility in the future.

There also is historical precedent. A Super League damn near was created in European Soccer. The only reason it wasn’t is because fans of the superior teams revolted. You think Texas and Ohio State fans will protest a Super League for the good of Texas Tech and Purdue?
 

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In addition, this Super League notion isn’t just made up out of thin air. There are decision-makers who have openly discussed this as a possibility in the future.

There also is historical precedent. A Super League damn near was created in European Soccer. The only reason it wasn’t is because fans of the superior teams revolted. You think Texas and Ohio State fans will protest a Super League for the good of Texas Tech and Purdue?
Very valid, and as a premier league fan I’m very familiar with what you’re taking about. I do know that those programs thrive on being the big fish, when your just a regular or even small fish those fans are also going to revolt and your interest will crater.
 
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I want to discern my opinion vs what I think will happen. I agree a Super League would hurt the product and viewership long term. But that won’t be what the powers-that-be look at (because that never is what executives who aren’t founders look at). They’ll want to maximize short-term benefits.

And the way they’ll need to do that is invest less in less lucrative entities and invest more in their cash cows.

TV money will dry up. That’s as close to a fact as possible. ESPN/Fox operate on a legacy, dying product (cable). The avenue for growth (streaming) has not shown itself to be as profitable as cable in its hey day and therefore there is less revenue for all involved.

Like any industry that is struggling, they have/will a.) cut costs b.) reallocate funds to better-performing areas or c.) both. So, when execs asses are in the line because stock prices are dipping, they’re going to make strategic decisions like a, b, or c that maximize short-term benefits. In this case, investing more in programs that drive more viewership and divest in those that don’t
Btw I agree that at some point the TV money should dry up but based on recent contracts for the NBA, playoff, etc I wouldn’t count on it happening anytime in the near future. Even if the math doesn’t seem to math
 
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Except it hasn’t happened with the realignment chaos, not yet at least.

I also disagree on the first part but if it was being considered then yeah those schools would most likely be the drivers, maybe not Nebraska as they have seen what rock bottom looks like

It's already happened to the Big 12 and the PAC-12. The TV stations negotiated the cream of the crop to go to the Big 12 and SEC, which at the time nearly cratered the Big 12 and now gutted the PAC-12. Heck, ESPN tried to kill off the Big 12 by moving brands out of there and shift the others to the AAC.

They'll do to the ACC next and eventually after the dust settles, how much will the tv stations want to keep paying high fees for NW, IL, Rutgers, MD, Indy, Purdue in the Big 10?
 
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It's already happened to the Big 12 and the PAC-12. The TV stations negotiated the cream of the crop to go to the Big 12 and SEC, which at the time nearly cratered the Big 12 and now gutted the PAC-12. Heck, ESPN tried to kill off the Big 12 by moving brands out of there and shift the others to the AAC.

They'll do to the ACC next and eventually after the dust settles, how much will the tv stations want to keep paying high fees for NW, IL, Rutgers, MD, Indy, Purdue in the Big 10?
And yet the Big12 is in as good as of place as it has been and the only current teams actually effected are Washington and Oregon state. Meanwhile others have actually been added so we have a net increase in P4 teams
 

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I have to wonder: Will Unequal Revenue Sharing hit the P2?
Of course it will.

It will be the concession the have-nots will be forced to make in order to remain tangentially tied to their bigger brands. But be warned, it will only be temporary, when there's only one national champion, tv revenue becomes the weird way they like to measure dicks. And if you want to know how we know, it's because it's already been done, it was called the Longhorn Network.
 
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Of course it will.

It will be the concession the have-nots will be forced to make in order to remain tangentially tied to their bigger brands. And if you want to know how we know, it's because it's already been done, it was called the Longhorn Network.
You mean the no defunct channel with the team that is no longer in the unequal revenue conference? Yeah, that’s why it isn’t happening anytime soon. It’s only ever been a failure
 

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You mean the no defunct channel with the team that is no longer in the unequal revenue conference? Yeah, that’s why it isn’t happening anytime soon. It’s only ever been a failure
I understand why you are inclined to dig in on denials of this, you know what side of the line you will fall. When it happens we won't even say I told you so.
 
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