Our Audition for the Big Ten?

[CydeOut]

Or for that matter, why ISU would want to be in the big 10. We play things other than football. Things like volleyball, and basketball, and wrestling and track and cross country, all of which we are very good at. We know for example that we'll usually be big 12 champions in wrestling. Why get rid of that? Its a very good thing. We know for example that a certain school called penn state is in the big 10. Have you ever been to happy valley? We know that we have the best volleyball coach in the nation and one of the best teams, who has a chance every year now to be big 12 champs and to play for national championships. Do you really want to put that on the line by having to play penn state? There is also a fundamental difference in the attitude of the conferences. Do you want to be a school that is always talking about their past and how good they have 'historically' been, or do you want to be a school that is focused on getting better every year, one that doesn't boo their players for a few minutes of bad playing?


Big 10 fans call for heads to roll if their school isn't BCS bound every year. We are happy with a bowl game, even glad for one. Why change? I don't think we should be asking why the big 10 would want us, but rather why we would even think of wanting the big 10.

Because there are 5 teams that make up the conference, and Oklahoma State may be just as tradition rich as we are....have you ever heard of Austin? They have one of the best volleyball teams and football teams in the nation.

This has gotten exaggerated, just saying I think the Big 10 would like to move quicker than what everyone thinks on getting a new team in the conference and I don't see why we wouldn't at least explore it.

 

[jbhtexas]

This has gotten exaggerated, just saying I think the Big 10 would like to move quicker than what everyone thinks on getting a new team in the conference and I don't see why we wouldn't at least explore it.

Read this post...

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/general-discussion/74064-making-case-big-10-a-8.html#post1395594

 

[jdoggivjc]

Yes - a lot of us would love to join the Big 10 because of the TV contract and the evenly split revenue. But for whatever reason some nitwits on this site just won't get it through their heads that this is never going to happen. The Big 10 has absolutely no reason to bring on Iowa State - we add no new TV sets to the conference that Iowa doesn't already bring in. Missouri, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Rutgers all have a significantly better chance of joining the Big 10 (if they ever learn to realize that ND's never joining) because they do the one thing that Iowa State cannot - increase the footprint of the Big 10 conference and add TV sets that the conference doesn't already have.

 

[brother bob]

I don't know....The city of Bondurant has a ton of TV viewers. They might be looking at this hard.

Yes, I can see it now...the big t1e1n asks Iowa State to join their conference because the metropolis of Bondurant, which in all reality is nothing less than a suburb of Des Moines, has a ton of tv viewers.:skeptical:

Just picking on ya Hand!!!

nice post though.

 

[Clark]

Yes, I can see it now...the big t1e1n asks Iowa State to join their conference because the metropolis of Bondurant, which in all reality is nothing less than a suburb of Des Moines, has a ton of tv viewers.:skeptical:

Just picking on ya Hand!!!

nice post though.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

 

[Clark]

Or for that matter, why ISU would want to be in the big 10. We play things other than football. Things like volleyball, and basketball, and wrestling and track and cross country, all of which we are very good at. We know for example that we'll usually be big 12 champions in wrestling. Why get rid of that? Its a very good thing. We know for example that a certain school called penn state is in the big 10. Have you ever been to happy valley? We know that we have the best volleyball coach in the nation and one of the best teams, who has a chance every year now to be big 12 champs and to play for national championships. Do you really want to put that on the line by having to play penn state? There is also a fundamental difference in the attitude of the conferences. Do you want to be a school that is always talking about their past and how good they have 'historically' been, or do you want to be a school that is focused on getting better every year, one that doesn't boo their players for a few minutes of bad playing?


Big 10 fans call for heads to roll if their school isn't BCS bound every year. We are happy with a bowl game, even glad for one. Why change? I don't think we should be asking why the big 10 would want us, but rather why we would even think of wanting the big 10.

1) Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota, Mich St, Illinois. What do these schools have in common? They don't call for the coaches head if they don't make BCS bowl games. In fact, for most of them the requirement is only that you get to a bowl game. So I'm not sure where you get the notion that Big 10 coaches get fired for not getting to BCS bowl games.

2) The extra money (many millions) that ISU would be able to receive as a member of the Big 10 doesn't have to be spent on football. And in todays economy, it isn't a bad thing to have that kind of revenue stream to keep the non revenue sports going.

3) ISU has no shot of getting into the Big 10. First of all the Big 10 isn't in a hurry to add a team. If you haven't noticed, they once again got a second team into the BCS games and seem to do pretty well in making money without a 12th team. Secondly, the Big 10 is going to wait for the right fit (ie: Notre Dame, maybe Missouri)

 

[WalkingCY]

Big Televen sucks.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

The ConferenceThatCan'tCount would be fools to add a 12th member school under any circumstances as long as the current BCS system is in place.

Currently, the 2Big2CountPast10 Conference consistently bangs out two BCS qualifiers. That is, easily, a difference of approx. $15 million in revenue, nearly annually. Those schools with a conference championship (i.e. the real conferences with 12 or more teams in it) are much less likely to so consistently have two qualifiers every year.

Let me put it another way: if the OursGoesToEleven Conference was eligible to have a conference championship this year, it would have pitted Iowa and Ohio State against each other in a rematch (or Ohio State and Penn State). Suddenly, instead of 10-2 Ohio State and 10-2 Iowa both making the BCS (and north of $30 million for the conference) you have the 11-2 winner going to the BCS and the 10-3 loser going to a non-BCS game.

As usual, it always comes down to the numbers. And not only do the numbers favor the Pac10StoppedatAnEvenNumberSoWeShouldToo Conference, they favor it heavily. The only chance for the BadMathConference to add someone would be for them to find a team that can guarantee the conference an additional $15 million per year to make up for that lost loophole money.

So if you've ever wondered why simple integers are such a problem for the WhatComesAfter10?OhYeahTen! Conference, it is because the manipulation of numbers is the very essence of their identity.

A founding member of the Big 12 Conference is, quite simply, not a good fit. We shoot too straight, and our money isn't old enough, to hang out with The19thCentury'sGreatestFootballConference.

 

[jsmith86]

The ConferenceThatCan'tCount would be fools to add a 12th member school under any circumstances as long as the current BCS system is in place.

Currently, the 2Big2CountPast10 Conference consistently bangs out two BCS qualifiers. That is, easily, a difference of approx. $15 million in revenue, nearly annually. Those schools with a conference championship (i.e. the real conferences with 12 or more teams in it) are much less likely to so consistently have two qualifiers every year.

Let me put it another way: if the OursGoesToEleven Conference was eligible to have a conference championship this year, it would have pitted Iowa and Ohio State against each other in a rematch (or Ohio State and Penn State). Suddenly, instead of 10-2 Ohio State and 10-2 Iowa both making the BCS (and north of $30 million for the conference) you have the 11-2 winner going to the BCS and the 10-3 loser going to a non-BCS game.

As usual, it always comes down to the numbers. And not only do the numbers favor the Pac10StoppedatAnEvenNumberSoWeShouldToo Conference, they favor it heavily. The only chance for the BadMathConference to add someone would be for them to find a team that can guarantee the conference an additional $15 million per year to make up for that lost loophole money.

So if you've ever wondered why simple integers are such a problem for the WhatComesAfter10?OhYeahTen! Conference, it is because the manipulation of numbers is the very essence of their identity.

A founding member of the Big 12 Conference is, quite simply, not a good fit. We shoot too straight, and our money isn't old enough, to hang out with The19thCentury'sGreatestFootballConference.

Ouch...I think my eyes hurt. Is the spacebar broken?

 

[Clark]

The ConferenceThatCan'tCount would be fools to add a 12th member school under any circumstances as long as the current BCS system is in place.

Currently, the 2Big2CountPast10 Conference consistently bangs out two BCS qualifiers. That is, easily, a difference of approx. $15 million in revenue, nearly annually. Those schools with a conference championship (i.e. the real conferences with 12 or more teams in it) are much less likely to so consistently have two qualifiers every year.

Let me put it another way: if the OursGoesToEleven Conference was eligible to have a conference championship this year, it would have pitted Iowa and Ohio State against each other in a rematch (or Ohio State and Penn State). Suddenly, instead of 10-2 Ohio State and 10-2 Iowa both making the BCS (and north of $30 million for the conference) you have the 11-2 winner going to the BCS and the 10-3 loser going to a non-BCS game.

As usual, it always comes down to the numbers. And not only do the numbers favor the Pac10StoppedatAnEvenNumberSoWeShouldToo Conference, they favor it heavily. The only chance for the BadMathConference to add someone would be for them to find a team that can guarantee the conference an additional $15 million per year to make up for that lost loophole money.

So if you've ever wondered why simple integers are such a problem for the WhatComesAfter10?OhYeahTen! Conference, it is because the manipulation of numbers is the very essence of their identity.

A founding member of the Big 12 Conference is, quite simply, not a good fit. We shoot too straight, and our money isn't old enough, to hang out with The19thCentury'sGreatestFootballConference.

It's not that the money isn't old enough...it's that there isn't enough of it.:wink:

 

[Clonegrad07]

This thread is just ********....

 

[Clark]

This thread is just mentally challenged....

fixed that for you:wink:

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Ouch...I think my eyes hurt. Is the spacebar broken?

No, but I believe the calculator at the BigPenn Conference offices might be. Either that or their accountant was born with eleven toes and no one ever had the heart to tell him.

 

[MNCyGuy]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the NCAA ever passed rules that forced all conferences to go to a standardized 12-team/championship game format. Anyone want to throw something out there as to how it would pan out hypothetically?

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

It's not that the money isn't old enough...it's that there isn't enough of it.:wink:

Ding Ding Ding! The only one who could bring in sufficient new money would be South Bend Tech. We think we've got a diva in Texas? Just be glad we aren't having to figure out how to attract Notre Dame to the party. That'll be like bringing Amy Winehouse to a baby shower.

 

[Clark]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the NCAA ever passed rules that forced all conferences to go to a standardized 12-team/championship game format. Anyone want to throw something out there as to how it would pan out hypothetically?

I'm not sure if this is even possible. I'm not sure how the NCAA could force conferences to accept new members. Keep in mind that the only sport in which this is an issue is football. So I highly doubt that the NCAA would even attempt to do something so drastic.

As to the hypothetical I would assume that it would force the Big 10 to go hard after Missouri (I don't think ND is ready to join any time soon). This would allow the Big 12 to go after TCU. I think the Pac 10 would go after Boise St and Utah.

 

[Bubbahotep]

super conferences. it's going to happen

 

[Cyclonus]

If i'm the Big 10, I take Pitt over Mizzou

 

[Mowilly]

Mizzou cannot get in (not part of some research consortium). Pitt or Rutgers would be the choice since they cannot get ND.

Big 10 would go after Texas before Mizzou-IMO

 

[ICCYFAN]

The ConferenceThatCan'tCount
2Big2CountPast10 Conference
OursGoesToEleven Conference
Pac10StoppedatAnEvenNumberSoWeShouldToo Conference
BadMathConference
WhatComesAfter10?OhYeahTen! Conference
The19thCentury'sGreatestFootballConference.

You made me laugh several times with this, especially the last one. Maybe the University of Chicago will consider coming back now that iowa's tied them for number of big ten conference football titles...

I'll throw out another reason why ISU should stay put - nostalgia! Why would we desire to leave our extremely long affiliation with the Big Six / Big Eight / Big Twelve?