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The whole suite thing never made any sense to me. I was a Helser Freshman when they kept on saying they were going to tear it down. Best part about Helser, the bathroom not being in the room resulted in kids being forced to leave their room. The doors on the suites I remember being set up so that it took an act of god to prop them open. Helser and Friley, every door was pretty much open from 5pm-8pm unless someone was studying. Being able to just wander into a room and join in on a video game... that was the whole point of a dorm in my mind. I moved out to Freddy C and the friend building effectively ended.
Those in the know seem more keen on the Friley renovation over Towers, and Madden's comments surprise me a bit. Towers doesn't have full-service dining, but they have a meal bundle option that has broad hours. ISU Dining is expanding that menu for next year. However, numbers show that very few residents eat at that location for lunch because most want to stay on main campus for classes, work, and activities. All three traditional dining halls (MWL, Oak-Elm, UDCC) are packed at peak hours. With enrollment continuing to grow and another on-campus residence hall coming online in the next couple years, utilizing Friley makes sense to relieve some pressure.
Even beyond the social aspect, suite-style dorms just seem really inefficient, especially if you're enrollment is exceeding your residential capabilities this badly. Even if it's the popular trend, they clearly don't need fancy suite dorms to attract students.
I would guess it would be more akin to what they do at the MU than an actual dining hall. That would actually make sense to have a quicker grab-and-go option on that end of campus.
Same experience for me except in Louden and I didnt eventually move into Freddy C. Dated a girl in Martin. That place was a morgue at all hours of they day. She didnt meet any new friends. The guys I met in Louden are some of the best friends I've had to date. Would never trade that experience for my own personal bathroom and a pre-made loft.
Ha ha ha...no. Nice try, thanks for playing. Institutional (university) construction >>> commercial construction >> light commercial construction >> residential construction. I'd suggest sticking to topics you know something about.
My dad had been away from campus for over 20 years when they moved me up. He said things had changed a bit
My rant on suites is a lot social...but also economical. One side says "college costs too much" but then they take out loans to ensure they have a private bathroom. It really is crazy the cost difference. BUT, if people are willing to pay, then they do it.
And for the person saying "buy $200k house." Yeah right. Those don't need fire systems, elevators, industrial carpets, etc. Also, the furnishings in a residence hall need to hold up to the test of time. Meaning, you can't say "well, when I bought a chair for my home, it was $200" as a lobby chair for instance is probably a $600-800 item to hold up over time.
Well Considering the UI is spending $53 million to construct a 500 student residence hall, $50 million for 700 students doesn't sound so bad.
http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20140205/NEWS01/302050029/Regents-sell-bonds-complete-UI-dorm
And can you imagine the additional logistical costs with that ******* plan? You'd have to add tons of additional parking to campus, or additional CyRide routes to those neighborhoods (assuming the houses were located reasonably close together). Maintenance on the homes would be a nightmare that de-centralized. If you thought house parties were a problem for the university before, just move a bunch of dorm residents out to their own homes. Stevie is a moron.
I actually thank you guys for the imput. really I do.
Again...I have NO CLUE about construction.....
Please help me fill in the blanks..
I lived in Willow. 2 students in a 15x20 room...300 square feet.
150 square feet per student
150 square feet x 700 students
105,000 square feet needed for the students.
Now a House cost about $100 per square foot.....Again...not a clue about larger construction...but
$100 x105,000sq ft = $10.5 Mill
Why is this going to cost 50Mill. Maybe construction of a major project cost a ton more, like 5 times more....
and No.....the univeristy putting up 270 houses is not realistic...never intended it to be.
Just trying to compare apples to oranges...sorta.
Again...I have NO CLUE about construction.....
Please help me fill in the blanks..
I lived in Willow. 2 students in a 15x20 room...300 square feet.
150 square feet per student
150 square feet x 700 students
105,000 square feet needed for the students.
Now a House cost about $100 per square foot.....Again...not a clue about larger construction...but
$100 x105,000sq ft = $10.5 Mill
Why is this going to cost 50Mill. Maybe construction of a major project cost a ton more, like 5 times more....
and No.....the univeristy putting up 270 houses is not realistic...never intended it to be.
Just trying to compare apples to oranges...sorta.
Dude - home construction is not the same as institutional construction. It's not the same arena, it's not even the same game. Don't try to rationalize it based on you wanting to build a new house for 100 $/sf. It doesn't work that way.
Not trying to be a **** here, but refer to the bolded part above.
An institutional, commercial construction project is practically infinitely more complex than your house. You build a house, there is one stakeholder - you. You build a new dorm, and there are tons of stakeholder groups that all have to have their needs met. ISU facilities, ISU custodial, ISU maintenance, ISU information technology, ISU resident services, list could go on. You're not even playing the same game.
How many people work to construct your house? Maybe one guy as General Contractor, an electrician, a plumber, and an HVAC guy? Maybe your GC subs out the foundation work, painting, whatever. So maybe you have a dozen people build your house. Maybe 20? The General Contractor for a project like this is going to have multiple full time staff just to manage the project, not to mention their carpentry crew. All their subcontractor will have subcontractors (and even the subs' subs might have subs). There will be hundreds and hundreds of construction people who will work on a project like this. Maybe even into the 1,000s.
How long does it take to build your house? A couple of months? Stretch that out to 18-24 months and think about how much more of everyone's time that takes.
Bottom line - it's complicated. No one is getting rich in this scenario. People are simply trading their time and skills for an equivalent wage.
Also, for the record, I'm not a contractor. I barely even play a contractor at home!
Louden 2003-2004 here. Is that mural still up by the lounge? There were 5 or 6 of us involved in putting that thing up after it was designed. We were annoyed that the external sign for the house was on the back of the building.
