Thomas has a reputation for not speaking much during arguments. NCAA might be in trouble.
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Thomas has a reputation for not speaking much during arguments. NCAA might be in trouble.
It will include both based on the argument being made.
Maybe it only would've kicked the can down the road, but the schools/ADs at places like ISU really ****** up here. They should've been lobbying for some NIL ability, some stipend, health insurance benefits, etc. Maybe it's enough to keep this out of court, or at least would limit the effectiveness of the argument against the NCAA. Instead they clung to something that was doomed to fail in court, and the result is going to be a market in which schools like ISU that do not have big boosters or AD budgets aren't competitive at all.
In today’s climate the NCAA is on track to accomplish a 9-0 consensus decision. Great job guys.
I think his strategy has been to always sit by Dickie V. Just be able to speak a semi-coherent sentence and you sound like a genius.
But seriously, people think he's smart on this topic. His arguments have always been incredibly dumb and contradictory.
There's another group of important people that knew about Zion before he ever stepped on Duke's campus, NBA Scouts and shoe company executives. Why do you think shoe companies are so involved with AAU basketball. Why was Adidas paying colleges? Shoe companies are trying to recruit their next Lebron, Kevin or Steph while they are still in HS.
The focus on NCAA reform should start with the NBA. If Zion could have jumped directly from HS to the NBA, Nike would have paid him millions 1 year sooner. If politicians wanted to end NCAA exploitation- they would start by allowing those kids to get paid out in the open by the NBA or NFL. The NBA and NFL should have minor league team(s) similar to baseball
Whenever he’s in a debate or discussion he always has this air that comes across as “Why are you disagreeing with me? You know I went to Duke, right?” Can’t stand the elitist SOB.
FWIW, my understanding is that since SCOTUS arguments have been moved online only, he's spoken quite a bit more.
The one and done rule helps the NBA, they were for it because they were getting and drafting too many kids straight out of high school, that could not play in the league or had stopped developing. The rule allows them to see the kid against higher competition for another year, thereby allowing them a better projection to see if they are really good enough to play in the league.
The only good thing I can see coming out of this is that now the SEC schools and Kansas, Arizona, Louisville and others that are paying players under the table, it will now be out in the open for everyone to see. It will be taxed so everyone will see how much Kansas is spending on purchasing their BB players. Someone will put a spread sheet and everyone will know the going rate for a 5 star player at a blue blood school.
In the end, we will end up with a 2 tiered system, a semi-pro league where the players are being paid, and the schools that chose to not pay the players but want to continue under with the current system with image and likeness paid for.
The only good thing I can see coming out of this is that now the SEC schools and Kansas, Arizona, Louisville and others that are paying players under the table, it will now be out in the open for everyone to see. It will be taxed so everyone will see how much Kansas is spending on purchasing their BB players. Someone will put a spread sheet and everyone will know the going rate for a 5 star player at a blue blood school.
In the end, we will end up with a 2 tiered system, a semi-pro league where the players are being paid, and the schools that chose to not pay the players but want to continue under with the current system with image and likeness paid for.
The NBA has a minor league system, but it's a money loser and nobody cares about it. And that's great that shoe people knew who Zion was, but it doesn't mean anything until the public knows about him. Besides, going into that season he was not even the highest ranked recruit at Duke, so it would've taken a few months of G-League dominance before he has much value in terms of endorsements. Even then, that endorsement value would've been based on what companies think his marketability will be once the public really knows him widely, which would be once he's actually playing in the NBA. Playing at Duke gave him huge exposure, demonstrated clearly that he was a highly marketable player, as the public loved him. That made him worth tons the second he was done being an "amateur."
Not to mention the NBA or NFL have no legal obligation to change their age requirements. I wish they would get rid of those restrictions, but there's no legal argument to be made that they have to. If they elminated those restrictions it definitely throws the NCAA a legal lifeline, but I'm not sure it's in the best interest of the NBA or NFL to do so, is it?
I daily click on "important message" just to see if anything has changed. Sometimes I hope I am going to get Rick Rolled.
This is all such an interesting thing. On the one hand the vast majority of us all realize the hypocrisy of not letting these student-athletes benefit in some way from the tremendous amount of money they bring to the schools. We have to find a way to permit it, but at the same time, it seems that a possible ramification of permitting NIL is the destruction of some athletic departments at some schools. For example, it seems persuasive that Olympic sports at most schools will be gone as long as Title IX remains the law of the land. Those sports provide enriching activities in so many ways to the students themselves and others (such as people learning to be trainers, etc.). It also seems likely that the NIL liberalization will allow - perversely - the rich to get richer. In other words, athletes going to Ohio State can make more (not only if paying players is allowed, but also with endorsements and NIL being sold to third party advertisers, etc.) than athletes going to Iowa State. Those programs currently with bigger budgets and larger audiences / followings would seem to benefit over smaller programs like ISU in garnering better recruits. I have spoken with an athletics administrator about that and an ISU administrator generally and it strikes me as persuasive. Schools like ISU may hurt more from this than schools like Alabama.
I'm not saying it's wrong, but this is such a complex issue that it is hard to see how it can be fixed without the rich getting richer. What do the policymakers want to incentivize? It seems to me the NCAA could help if they could see the writing on the wall and work toward a fairer system where everyone buys in, but it may be hard to get the Alabama's and Ohio State's to see they should "subsidize" in some way the smaller schools from an economic model. I certainly don't have the answer with the limited reading I've done on it, but I bet there's some smart policy people out there who have been thinking about this and can come up with some ideas as to how we can change the system.
College athletics is about to change big time. I don't think any of us knows what is in store. Hopefully, ISU will be able to keep up with the changes coming.
Oh, they have been lobbying. This has been brewing for a while. There's spending on these kinds of activities. I wouldn't blame the AD or the University without knowing the facts and circumstances. Also, lobbying can only do so much. At the end of the day, our Congress and NCAA makes their own decisions (I know there's various committees and legislative bodies within the NCAA as well as the Board of Governors - but you get my point - ISU can lobby all it wants but only has so much control over these other actors).
Edit: I read closer and you criticize ISU for not lobbying for some NIL ability, stipend, etc. You might be right there; I don't know and don't believe ISU has been lobbying on that, but ISU has been lobbying a lot of different sources to try and protect ISU's interest. That was my overarching point that ISU and the AD have been paying attention to this and trying to act in ISU's best interest.
Have to dismantle the modern Title 9.
D3 MODEL allows for NIL and awards assistant based on academics
If it is just a matter of pay-to-win, which is what a lot of this stuff sounds like... we won't.
The one tiny bit of hope that a place like ISU has is that there is a sizable and highly interested fanbase. It might take armageddon to wake up our fanbase and understand that they need to really pony up cash or ISU football dies. Not misses out on facilities, or risks losing coaches, but ceases to exist. ISU would have to be the crowdfunded program.
Kavanaugh and Thomas just absolutely dismantled the NCAA.
And it was glorious.
And it was glorious.
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ISU better learn how to thrive because there is no stopping this. Several states have already passed legislation allowing students to benefit from their NIL rights. Some of those laws go into effect as soon as this July. And once a few states do it, the dam will break and the others will follow suit soon after. Nobody wants to be late on this one.
People can gnash their teeth and lament about the ramifications, but it's not going to stop it from happening. Get on the train or be left behind.
People can gnash their teeth and lament about the ramifications, but it's not going to stop it from happening. Get on the train or be left behind.
