Malou entering the Draft without Agent

[IAStubborn]

I believe the concern is about the NCAA "Delayed Enrollment" rule.

The general rule for D-I is that once you enroll full-time at "any college" your 4 year eligibility clock has started, providing you 5 years to use those 4. There are special exceptions that pause the clock, but those aren't applicable for Malou as far as I know.

A bit of a loophole that the NCAA attempts to close is what they consider delayed enrollment. From how I used to understand it (could have changed since 2014 and the rule itself is fairly vague with subjectivity), individuals were given 1 year grace period to enroll full-time at a collegiate institution, after that your clock starts. To make matters worse, the NCAA has been known to hit kids on this if, during that 1 year delay, the kid is playing organized sports they consider that as part of your eligibility.

I don't know all the details on Malou and when he actually graduated high school, but thought I would share my understanding of the issue at hand.

after 11th grade he went back to Australia and he didn't really ever graduate from HS yet took classes and played ball at a college then went to prep school in the US. He never really graduated yet went to a quasi college for a while in australia. It really isn't cut and dry. And none of the rules really address his situation.

From tribune article last fall:
Malou finished out the school year at St. Thomas More and played some AAU with the Connecticut Basketball Club before returning home to Australia.

It was there, while attempting a dunk, Malou suffered a knee injury and was sidelined for months. Malou said he had planned to return to St. Thomas More that fall, but ultimately did not.

“I actually lost contact with coach Ed Smith,” he said. “We just went our own ways.”

Smith, a polarizing figure in basketball circles, has brought, as a guardian, a number of young Sudanese-Australians to the U.S. to play basketball. He is now the legal guardian of Thon Maker, a top-10 2016 prospect.

“He saw the potential in me more than anybody else,” Malou said. “I don’t know what his intentions were. I hope they were good.”

So Malou stayed at home, bouncing between Box Hill Senior Secondary College and Australian College Basketball, he said, until 2012 when he received an offer to join an upstart prep program in central Iowa.

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[acgclone]

Don't do it malou! Dont. Do. It

Don't do what? He is preference is to play at ISU but if he can't do that it won't be his choice. Declaring is simply keeping options open in case he gets bounced by the NCAA.

 

[CyJack13]

That isn't true

It is correct. The delayed enrollment rule doesn't mean you have to start playing college sports within a year of graduating high school in order to keep your eligibility. It just means you can't play multiple years of prep school sports after graduating high school and still be eligible. If you stop playing sports after high school, you keep your eligibility even if you wait 20 years to enroll in college.

Generally athletes have one year after they graduate from high school to enroll in college. During that year, they can continue playing their sport with no penalty. After the one-year grace period, athletes must stop competing in their sport in order to preserve their eligibility.

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/09/14/avoid-losing-eligibility-delayed-enrollment.htm

 

[CyJack13]

I believe the concern is about the NCAA "Delayed Enrollment" rule.

The general rule for D-I is that once you enroll full-time at "any college" your 4 year eligibility clock has started, providing you 5 years to use those 4. There are special exceptions that pause the clock, but those aren't applicable for Malou as far as I know.

A bit of a loophole that the NCAA attempts to close is what they consider delayed enrollment. From how I used to understand it (could have changed since 2014 and the rule itself is fairly vague with subjectivity), individuals were given 1 year grace period to enroll full-time at a collegiate institution, after that your clock starts. To make matters worse, the NCAA has been known to hit kids on this if, during that 1 year delay, the kid is playing organized sports they consider that as part of your eligibility.

I don't know all the details on Malou and when he actually graduated high school, but thought I would share my understanding of the issue at hand.

That's not exactly what the rule states, the rule is intended to prevent kids from playing prep school sports for like five years while waiting for a scholarship. The rule is basically that you get one year of prep school post high school and after that year you either have to enroll in college, stop competing at that level to preserve your four years of eligibility or else risk losing a year of collegiate eligibility for each successive year you continue to play prior to enrolling in college, which is what Malou was doing apparently.

 

[SpRiNgLiMe]

Very interesting situation and difficult to discount concerns about eligibility. Looks like it could be in the hands of the wildly controversial subjectivity of the NCAA evaluating whether he passed an exit exam/standardized test at a level they consider to be equivalent to graduating high school. I guess there's also a chance that even without enrolling full-time, his prep school could be ruled as continued organized sport and could add more pressure to the whole thing.

Should make for an interesting ruling at least. :smile:

 

[cyclones12321]

Don't do what? He is preference is to play at ISU but if he can't do that it won't be his choice. Declaring is simply keeping options open in case he gets bounced by the NCAA.

Isu or nothing

 

[clonedude]

Based on what? 20% is very specfic considering I haven't seen anything but smoke so far.

Because. We. Are. ISU.

These things very rarely ever turn out in our favor. That's why.

So yes, I took a stab in the dark at our success rate in ordeals like this being about a 1 in 5 chance, or 20%.

 

[SpRiNgLiMe]

That's not exactly what the rule states, the rule is intended to prevent kids from playing prep school sports for like five years while waiting for a scholarship. The rule is basically that you get one year of prep school post high school and after that year you either have to enroll in college, stop competing at that level to preserve your four years of eligibility or else risk losing a year of collegiate eligibility for each successive year you continue to play prior to enrolling in college, which is what Malou was doing apparently.

What you're saying is semantically equivalent to what I said in this situation though you would like to be the contrarian. Sure, you can completely pull yourself out of organized sports to preserve eligibility, but you still need a waiver for Bylaw 14.2.3.2.1, or did that not come up in your simple Google search?

Congrats.

 

[IAStubborn]

It is correct. The delayed enrollment rule doesn't mean you have to start playing college sports within a year of graduating high school in order to keep your eligibility. It just means you can't play multiple years of prep school sports after graduating high school and still be eligible. If you stop playing sports after high school, you keep your eligibility even if you wait 20 years to enroll in college.

Generally athletes have one year after they graduate from high school to enroll in college. During that year, they can continue playing their sport with no penalty. After the one-year grace period, athletes must stop competing in their sport in order to preserve their eligibility.

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/09/14/avoid-losing-eligibility-delayed-enrollment.htm

Except there is more than that rule. Like the one that says your 5 year clock starts once you enroll full time. And hence you are wrong. The delayed enrollment rule partially applies except he never graduated HS. Like I said it is complex

 

[Messi]

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMalou/status/725099947570253829

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[RustShack]

Smart guy. Callpari said he encourages all of his players to take advantage of this rule and see where they fit and what they need to work on.

This is just Mannys backup plan to get noticed if the NCAA denies him.

 

[carvers4math]

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMalou/status/725099947570253829

Malou seems smarter than the average CF poster Boo Boo.

 

[zenmaster]

A player has to stay in the draft to be eligible for d-league. You can call this the Mike Taylor rule. After he was picked up, post-dismissal from ISU, and entered draft the following year, the league instituted rule where guy must go through draft to play in the d-league.

5 to play 4 does not start until a player participates in a sports program, either via scholarship, practice, or other team activities. That rule does not impact this situation. There are limits as to how far removed a kid can begin that clock and how many years a kid can play prep school after graduation and still be eligible. Some of this is a debate over when he "graduated from high school" because it was not a normal route that kids from here would go through. There is also a start/finish age for the 5 to play 4, and there is some process needed to certify with the NCAA clearinghouse that he is in that window. Also because he does not meet the HS entry requirements, he absolutely has to get his degree from DMACC.

 

[Clonefan32]

Rooting for the kid even if he doesn't play a minute at Iowa State. Seems like a good kid with good intentions and alot of ability that has managed to run into several ne'er-do-wells.

 

[woodm07]

Boils down to who the heck would start center if Malou doesn't qualify. Basically worried about rebounds.

 

[Clonefan32]

Boils down to who the heck would start center if Malou doesn't qualify. Basically worried about rebounds.

Gotta think that given his eligibility concerns the staff has a backup plan in mind, and has for a while, but I haven't seen us involved with many 5th year transfers, and the high school talent pool is all but tapped by now. Might be time to get Stu some actual sports goggles.

 

[woodm07]

Gotta think that given his eligibility concerns the staff has a backup plan in mind, and has for a while, but I haven't seen us involved with many 5th year transfers, and the high school talent pool is all but tapped by now. Might be time to get Stu some actual sports goggles.

MM, NML, MT, DJ, and Burton? Never touch a rebound, but would absolutely run a defense ragid.

 

[acgclone]

MM, NML, MT, DJ, and Burton? Never touch a rebound, but would absolutely run a defense ragid.

Giving crushed on the boards will run us ragged in return

 

[woodm07]

Giving crushed on the boards will run us ragged in return

Might happen even with malou.

 

[acgclone]

Might happen even with malou.

Oh I agree but I don't think losing a 6'9" stretch 4 is a good thing. Hopefully he gets pushed through.