is kene nwangwu playing?

EvilBetty

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Sorry if this has been discussed. would seem like a total waste of a medical waiver for an entire year of eligibility (unless i don't understand the criteria for that, which is certainly possible).
 

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good. reading between the lines (falsely) the podcast made it sound as if he was.
 

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Hopefully I'm not missing something stupid . . .

1) A "traditional" redshirt means no playing time at all. Not even 1 snap. Right now Kene played as a true freshman and has not played his true sophomore year at all. This means his sophomore year can be a "traditional" redshirt year (albeit his sophomore instead of freshman year), allowing him to play the next 3 years as a "redshirt" sophomore/junior/senior. This option is automatic and does not require an application to be approved by the NCAA. To play him in the bowl game would eliminate this possibility and he would only be able to play the next 2 years without some type of waiver from the NCAA.

2) A medical hardship waiver (typically referred to as a "medical" redshirt) must be applied for and approved -- it is not automatic. There are guidelines/rules (but ultimately the decision is case-by-case). One of the rules is that the injury must be "season-ending". Thus, to play him in the bowl game would almost certainly disqualify him from a medical hardship waiver, though I suppose one could try to argue that a "post-season" bowl game doesn't preclude a "season-ending" injury (good luck with that).

Unless I've totally missed something, the choice would be to play in one bowl game at the expense of one entire season.
 

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Hopefully I'm not missing something stupid . . .

1) A "traditional" redshirt means no playing time at all. Not even 1 snap. Right now Kene played as a true freshman and has not played his true sophomore year at all. This means his sophomore year can be a "traditional" redshirt year (albeit his sophomore instead of freshman year), allowing him to play the next 3 years as a "redshirt" sophomore/junior/senior. This option is automatic and does not require an application to be approved by the NCAA. To play him in the bowl game would eliminate this possibility and he would only be able to play the next 2 years without some type of waiver from the NCAA.

2) A medical hardship waiver (typically referred to as a "medical" redshirt) must be applied for and approved -- it is not automatic. There are guidelines/rules (but ultimately the decision is case-by-case). One of the rules is that the injury must be "season-ending". Thus, to play him in the bowl game would almost certainly disqualify him from a medical hardship waiver, though I suppose one could try to argue that a "post-season" bowl game doesn't preclude a "season-ending" injury (good luck with that).

Unless I've totally missed something, the choice would be to play in one bowl game at the expense of one entire season.

Yep, plus, you cannot even apply for a hardship waiver until after you are done.

I think this was caused by CMC saying he was glad to have Kene back (in practice). I am sure he will just redshirt and have 3 more to play 3.
 

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Yep, plus, you cannot even apply for a hardship waiver until after you are done.

I think this was caused by CMC saying he was glad to have Kene back (in practice). I am sure he will just redshirt and have 3 more to play 3.

^Yes he is practicing during bowl prep, but not to play in bowl.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...-signs-his-old-self-bowl-practices/919170001/

“Kene Nwangwu is great to have back,” said Iowa State coach Matt Campbell. “We missed him and he’s 100 percent and had a great run (Sunday) and you almost had to do a double take.”
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The Cyclones haven’t been able to utilize his speed this season after Nwangwu went down during the offseason with the Achilles' tendon injury. Nwangwu worked his way back to health during the season, and Campbell kept the door open for a possible return in 2017.

But Iowa State decided to wait on Nwangwu, redshirt him, and rely on running backs David Montgomery, Sheldon Croney Jr. and Mike Warren. Iowa State’s return game suffered the most. The Cyclones rotated six different players in that role.

Without Nwangwu, the Cyclones ranked sixth among the 10 Big 12 teams in kickoff returns, averaging just 20.5 yards per return. But there is good news for the future, with Nwangwu looking good as Campbell gives a lot of the early bowl practice reps to his young players.

Campbell said the plan is to rest many of his regulars through the start of the bowl prep and give many of Iowa State’s inexperienced players chances to show what they can do. He’ll start working his regulars back into the rotation over the last two weeks leading up to the game.
 

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He is practicing but will not play. With 3 capable running backs (Montgomery health is ?) there is no reason for him to play and the staff will not waste a whole season for him to play in the bowl game.
 

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So, theoretically you could play in one game (the first game of the season), get injured, and eventually apply for a medical redshirt. But, if you play in one game (the bowl game) after being injured for the entire off-season and the rest of the regular season, you cannot apply for a medical redshirt? Interesting.
 

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But, if you play in one game (the bowl game) after being injured for the entire off-season and the rest of the regular season, you cannot apply for a medical redshirt? Interesting.

The rule is that you cannot play in the second half of the season at all and still qualify for a medical hardship, so it's not just limited to the last game of the season.
 
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What kind of hands does Kene have? Just wondering if they might use him as a flanker/WR like they did Ryen. Ryen was able to make some really nice plays the last couple years with pure speed.

I think you will see Kene motion out into the slot a lot but he will be used as a runner to. He has game breaker type speed so they will get creative with him.
 
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But does he fumble? I would love to know how Coach Ayeni teaches these guys not to fumble, especially the way Montgomery just keeps going and going because that is when so many times the ball gets stripped.
 

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But does he fumble? I would love to know how Coach Ayeni teaches these guys not to fumble, especially the way Montgomery just keeps going and going because that is when so many times the ball gets stripped.

He tells that that it would be better to die a small boy than to fumble this ball.
 

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Kene can use his regular redshirt for 2017 then if were to miss another full season to injury he would absolutely get a 6th year
 

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Does not pertain to this situation, but I thought I heard somewhere about a new rule that would allow redshirted players to play in the bowl game, without it effecting their redshirt status.

It was something to combat the new thing of outgoing nfl prospects that decide not to play in the bowl game. It also could have just been a proposal as well, and not anything they changed.
 

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Does not pertain to this situation, but I thought I heard somewhere about a new rule that would allow redshirted players to play in the bowl game, without it effecting their redshirt status.

It was something to combat the new thing of outgoing nfl prospects that decide not to play in the bowl game. It also could have just been a proposal as well, and not anything they changed.
Not trying to shoot the messenger here but that's seems pretty out there to me. And maybe I'm just drawing a blank but how would it combat NFL prospects skipping bowl games?
 

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