IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

[Win5002]

Super dumb take by that writer. The basis for no expansion is largely that if the other leagues rescue the teams they would be "plundering" the Big 12, thus being predatory and contradictory to the "Big 12 matters" statement. Nobody, including the ACC or the Big 12 member institutions think the Big 12 as an entity matter. If all the schools got snatched up nobody is going to be saying, "man, those other conferences were predatory." Everybody would view an invite as a lifeline. Only teams left behind would view it negatively. What a stupid conclusion to draw.

And second, like the others, it's the typical "no value" argument. Again. If the team that would be third in your league in viewership would not add value, your league is as good as dead. Only a PAC homer would think they can stick with the status quo and not die.

You are correct it is complete "double speak". Of course it means the B12 institutions received something of value if they are all placed somewhere but that's not what the remaining leagues seem to want. Instead they are trying to diminish the B12.

Also, note two of those quotes are from the ACC & PAC commissioners not the writer.

I can't see how at the end of the week now the PAC will announce its moving forward with considering expansion.

 

[spierceisu]

If the other conferences were not expanding and it is known, why hasn't the Big 12 stated it is pursuing expansion. This is the only other route they have to go. This leads me to believe that the other conference expansion is the likely route, regardless of what the Pac 12 says later this week.

 

[AppleCornCy]

You are correct it is complete "double speak". Of course it means the B12 institutions received something of value if they are all placed somewhere but that's not what the remaining leagues seem to want. Instead they are trying to diminish the B12.

Also, note two of those quotes are from the ACC & PAC commissioners not the writer.

I can't see how at the end of the week now the PAC will announce its moving forward with considering expansion.

If they aren’t expanding, why even say that they’re going to make an announcement? Why not just come out and say it? That’s the part that makes zero sense to me.

 

[theshadow]

After IA, the second largest enrollment is kids from MN. MN overtook IL, several years ago.

Last fall, there were 4,000 ISU students from Illinois and 2,600 from Minnesota. Illinois has been ~1,000 or so ahead every year since 2016, and hasn't trailed Minnesota since 2012.

 

[jdoggivjc]

If the other conferences were not expanding and it is known, why hasn't the Big 12 stated it is pursuing expansion. This is the only other route they have to go. This leads me to believe that the other conference expansion is the likely route, regardless of what the Pac 12 says later this week.

I guess my thought is the Big 12 doesn’t bring in Oliver Luck so he can talk Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU into joining the Big 12; he’s brought in because the conference knows the end is near and he’s trying to get ISU and KU into the Big 10, WV into the ACC, and as many of the rest as possible into the PAC 12.

 

[AgronAlum]

For what? Death??

Is this Bruce Van De Veldes new alt?

 

[Thinker]

Found Jon Miller!!!!!

lol, no. But I do miss most of his takes on HN

 

[spierceisu]

I guess my thought is the Big 12 doesn’t bring in Oliver Luck so he can talk Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU into joining the Big 12; he’s brought in because the conference knows the end is near and he’s trying to get ISU and KU into the Big 10, WV into the ACC, and as many of the rest as possible into the PAC 12.

I agree. As a "consultant" the other conferences can talk to him without violating the terms where conferences can't talk to Big 12 schools per the info from the Cease and Desist letter to ESPN.

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Last fall, there were 4,000 ISU students from Illinois and 2,600 from Minnesota. Illinois has been ~1,000 or so ahead every year since 2016, and hasn't trailed Minnesota since 2012.

Looks like my info is at least ten years ago.

 

[Cloneon]

I guess my thought is the Big 12 doesn’t bring in Oliver Luck so he can talk Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU into joining the Big 12; he’s brought in because the conference knows the end is near and he’s trying to get ISU and KU into the Big 10, WV into the ACC, and as many of the rest as possible into the PAC 12.

Any/all negotiations that doesn't/don't begin with "What's it going to take?" isn't a negotiation with intent.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Is this Bruce Van De Veldes new alt?

FFS if BVDV were still running the ISU AD I’d believe tavern Hok taunts that we’re on our way to the MAC.

 

[jcyclonee]

For what? Death??

This is an unexpected response.

 

[trevn]

This good doctor must have some good drugs.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I am guessing you don't remember what our "facilities" (and I use that term loosely) were a decade ago...

They're weren't nearly as bad as two decades ago.

 

[heitclone]

I guess my thought is the Big 12 doesn’t bring in Oliver Luck so he can talk Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU into joining the Big 12; he’s brought in because the conference knows the end is near and he’s trying to get ISU and KU into the Big 10, WV into the ACC, and as many of the rest as possible into the PAC 12.

This, any program not already in a p5 league won't need convincing to join the big 12 and the league has done a lot of research into expansion and what each team brings. There aren't many "unknowns" involved in big 12 expansion, the one exception could be a new TV deal or bringing in a new player like Amazon. I could see Luck's value in those situations, that's about it at this point in the game.

 

[CloneJD]

If the other conferences were not expanding and it is known, why hasn't the Big 12 stated it is pursuing expansion. This is the only other route they have to go. This leads me to believe that the other conference expansion is the likely route, regardless of what the Pac 12 says later this week.

There are articles starting to float expansion and is probably why luck was brought in.

 

[Thinker]

This, any program not already in a p5 league won't need convincing to join the big 12 and the league has done a lot of research into expansion and what each team brings. There aren't many "unknowns" involved in big 12 expansion, the one exception could be a new TV deal or bringing in a new player like Amazon. I could see Luck's value in those situations, that's about it at this point in the game.

Honestly, I would think Houston would be attractive to the Big 12.

 

[BCClone]

There are articles starting to float expansion and is probably why luck was brought in.

This way we can say we have luck in our side.

 

[CascadeClone]

That’s all good but the tan ******** in $5000 suits listen to the dickfors in accounting that go home every day and booby trap noobs in Minecraft via their $1000 gaming keyboards until 3am.

I am gonna assume you are an accountant then?

Also, +1 rep for "dickfor", I haven't heard that in forever and it's just fantastic.

 

[Cydkar]

I will happily put up with years of “Well if it wasn’t for us your program would’ve died, we saved you, etc.” from Hawkeye fans if it means we get to be in the B1G.

How would Iowa save us?