IOWA STATE TO BIG TEN?!? Dave Wannstedt thinks so.

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Sorry could not find the original question, I got busy getting the kids from sports and band practice, what I meant from your post do you believe all of the stuff about this that people like Feldman Dodd Auerbach etc, and the articles from espn and the athletic about this ?

There are literally no articles that I’ve seen from any of those sources specifically about this, especially if we are talking about Wanny’s comments today.

Again, I’m seriously not trying to be obtuse here, what is the “this” we are talking about?
 

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How do you see this going down? When the B12 rules have UT and OU on the hook for two years worth of distributions plus three years worth of media rights to leave after this year - the B12 distributions piece is about $150MM combined, and the three years of media rights in the SEC is worth $400MM combined to UT/OU and about $240MM combined in the Big 12. $400MM combined is a realistic settlement demand to have them walk after this year, and I think it’s way too rich even for OU and UT’s blood.

I could definitely see agreement on a smaller figure IF the other schools all (or mostly all) had landing spots figured out. If the 8 schools were splitting $300MM, KU and ISU could just walk over to the B1G office and plunk down their $75MM, or any four of them could do the same with the Pac-12 and $150MM to get in.

But if there is nowhere to go, the best move for the 8 is going to be to maintain the status quo as long as possible and try to find somewhere to go. And OU and UT are simply not going to walk without a settlement first on the GOR, since they could lose (probably would lose) and ESPN would find itself at the center of the legal dispute that it does not want to be in.
ISU and KU will be giving that much each and more. Its called reduced payout for new members. NU has just started to get a full share in the B1G and Rutgers and Maryland are still getting a reduced share.

All the schools moving will get a reduced share than the rest of the schools in the conference, this makes adding schools like ISU actually more beneficial because even though they may not equal quite the revenue as a B1G average, they dont have to, at least not for probably a Decade.

all those years will equal way more than the figures you quote.
 
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ISU and KU will be giving that much each and more. Its called reduced payout for new members. NU has just started to get a full share in the B1G and Rutgers and Maryland are still getting a reduced share.

All the schools moving will get a reduced share than the rest of the schools in the conference, this makes adding schools like ISU actually more beneficial because even though they may not equal quite the revenue as a B1G average, they dont have to, at least not for probably a Decade.

all those years will equal way more than the figures you quote.

I’m talking about both reduced shares and a very large buy in.
 

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There are literally no articles that I’ve seen from any of those sources specifically about this, especially if we are talking about Wanny’s comments today.

Again, I’m seriously not trying to be obtuse here, what is the “this” we are talking about?

No problem I may not be clear. Trying to do different things at one time. Life of a parent of teenagers.

This development today is pretty funny. I don’t know how well he knows what he is talking about.
So I’m not concerned about reaction to this.

So what I meant to ask originally was whether or not you took any of these types of articles seriously going back to when the whole thing with Texas and Oklahoma started? I mean any of the breaking news from “sources”
 
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I find that unlikely to require a buy in. Especially if said school is taking a reduced share for a time period.

I think the B1G required a buy in of each of Nebraska Maryland and Rutgers that was substantial. Think it might have been styled as an equity payment to own a share of BTN but it was large and it went to the existing universities.
 
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What could possibly be more attractive than ISU to the B1G?
There wouldn't be anything more attractive right now.

That said, how well have the three recent additions to the Big Ten done in football subsequent to joining the Big Ten? The answer...they all have pretty much not done very well for the past 4-5 years.

The current situation stinks for many reasons, but one of them was that the Big 12, as rickety as it was, actually afforded good opportunity for teams to ascend to the top. BU, KSU, ISU, OSU, TCU, and WVU have all had a stretch of doing well over the last decade. I'm not sure that this opportunity exists to the same extent in the Big Ten.

NU was gonna steamroll the Big Ten West...
 
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Things are so quiet on this which is good for us. Either way I've been told from the Iowa State side to not sweat this and we'll be fine. The only thing I know for certain is Iowa would vote yes for us to join the Big Ten
I would hope so, the BOR knows how costly it would be for the state for one of their schools to be demoted.
 
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No problem I may not be clear. Trying to do different things at one time. Life of a parent of teenagers.

This development today is pretty funny. I don’t know how well he knows what he is talking about.
So I’m not concerned about reaction to this.

So what I meant to ask originally was whether or not you took any of these types of articles seriously going back to when the whole thing with Texas and Oklahoma started? I mean any of the breaking news from “sources”

No, I didn’t take the initial news seriously. But it was basically confirmed immediately by every major CFB journalist.

There is still nothing on this. Wannstadt was far from the only person in the meetings. I assume every one of those same journalists is trying to confirm this and the fact that it’s been this long with the only mention anybody can find in it is the KC Star saying it’s probably not true.

Again, news this big doesn’t stay locked up this long, and it definitely doesn’t stay locked up once somebody spills the beans.

Doesn’t mean this is impossible - we don’t even know the context. Was it just some guy spitballing scenarios at the meeting? Was it a serious discussion with network bigwigs? The fact that literally nothing has come up about this since tells me there was literally nothing serious about any discussion he was a part of.
 
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I see it going down like this... OuT leave after this season and then try weaseling out of paying the full amount or anywhere near the full amount, and drag it into some kind of mediation process at which point the lawyers get involved. I think they'll drag it on as long as they can hoping the Big 12 caves first.

For the record, I hope SECESPN loses.
Just goes to show how much you don’t understand about Grant of Rights. If there was simply an exit fee, I would agree with you 100%, but there is no way that ESPN or SEC is going to pay for OU/UT until they have their television rights. They cannot legally get them until 2025 unless there is a buyout which will be costly.
 

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I think the B1G required a buy in of each of Nebraska Maryland and Rutgers that was substantial. Think it might have been styled as an equity payment to own a share of BTN but it was large and it went to the existing universities.
The buy in was the reduced shares. Rutgers and Maryland borrowed 10's of millions to pay their buy outs from the conferences they were in, that is why neither school is getting a full share after being in the league for a decade. Nebraska borrowed no money from the league and that is why they are getting a full share after 8 years of reduced money.
 

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The buy in was the reduced shares. Rutgers and Maryland borrowed 10's of millions to pay their buy outs from the conferences they were in, that is why neither school is getting a full share after being in the league for a decade. Nebraska borrowed no money from the league and that is why they are getting a full share after 8 years of reduced money.

Pretty sure they had to buy BTN equity as well although Google is not cooperating. Essentially an entry fee.
 

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I think the B1G required a buy in of each of Nebraska Maryland and Rutgers that was substantial. Think it might have been styled as an equity payment to own a share of BTN but it was large and it went to the existing universities.


Rutgers still owes the BIG $120 Million.

$120 Million. Still.

They borrowed against their future share for the huge amount of debt they had coming into the conference and the requirements the BIG put on them for upgrading facilities.

Media talks about how ISU doesnt add to the pie...When you consider if there are only 4 Power conferences and not 5 that grows the per school payout for the new CFP by about $7-$8 mil a year per school

Adding ISU/KU and the BIG media deal would payout around $57 Million per school instead of $60 Million per school (because ISU/KU would take half a share for first 7-10 years).

When you consider that $3 Mil deficit then add a $8mil benefit (CFP) I"m having a hard time understanding the media narratives of this being a bad thing financially for the BIG.
 

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Just goes to show how much you don’t understand about Grant of Rights. If there was simply an exit fee, I would agree with you 100%, but there is no way that ESPN or SEC is going to pay for OU/UT until they have their television rights. They cannot legally get them until 2025 unless there is a buyout which will be costly.

I guess we'll see how it goes.
 

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In the BIg (if we get in) how long will it take them to sort out the Iowa State Hawkeye thing? :rolleyes:
 

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Not sure how many times we have to explain Rutgers and Maryland got the BTN on cable packages in NYC and DC. No one cares how many fans they had. The B1G schools got carriage fees that way. That model is not going to work long term; cable is not going that way any more. Rutgers in particular got luckier than maybe any program in history by being in the right place at the right time and now will be a drag on the B1G finances for decades.


Why wouldn't they have had the Big 10 network in New York with or without Rutgers? Or in D.C. with or without Maryland. I mean, they had the Big 10 network in Texas since it's beginning. Just curious.
 
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