If the B12 remains intact and moves forward

[Mesaclone1]

I find it interesting that ISU and Ku's president/chancellor are on the expansion committee with TxT and BU's athletic directors. That sends a strong message to me, at least, about ISU and Ku's future, i.e. they have no plans to leave the B12.

It shouldn't. Any move to the B1G would likely await 2025...and absolutely has to wait until after we've settled with OU/UT. In the meantime, unless you're a peawit, you plan for the worst case scenario of staying put...and that means adding at least a couple of teams in the short term. So adding teams tells us NOTHING about what may or may not happen with B1G/Pac expansion in 2023.

 

[Daserop]

Yahoo's Pete Thamel thinks Big 12 should expand to 16 teams:

Break those 16 teams into four pods to keep some of the league’s familiarity. The teams in the pods would play each other every year.

• West: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State and San Diego State
• Midwest: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma State
• Texas: Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston (Tulane could go here if the egos of the Texas schools foolishly block Houston.)
• East: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF and USF (Memphis could go here if two Florida schools aren't wanted.)

Full article: https://sports.yahoo.com/think-big-here-is-one-way-to-save-the-big-12-203016120.html

This guy got paid to write this? There are better suggestions on this message board.

 

[BCClone]

Its going to be about eyeballs watching games and possibly people willing to buy subscriptions in the future not attendance. Granted attendance can be an indicator but its not always the same. CSU has done bad ratings wise for a while but they have had bad teams for a while. If CSU is bad do people in Colorado/Denver watch the B12 especially games not involving CSU? not sure that adds a lot.

Now contrast that with adding UH. You add 3 in state games(and OSU close regionally) in the most football crazed state in the country that is the 2nd largest state. Adding UH gets more media attention in the state, increasing the relevancy of games as well as keeping the league relevant for recruiting going forward in Texas. If you leave UH in the AAC with SMU you are competing with the AAC for media coverage also but if UH is removed the AAC is an afterthought in Texas. If the B12 doesn't seem like a P5 member in Texas it never will be nationally.

BYU, UH, UCF & Cincy puts a wide gap between the B12 and AAC.

Houston played SMU, Tulsa and I think another Texas team maybe. What are those ratings in comparison to TT, Baylor or TCU? OSU has the highest rating of the remaining 8 so I know that answer.

 

[BCClone]

It shouldn't. Any move to the B1G would likely await 2025...and absolutely has to wait until after we've settled with OU/UT. In the meantime, unless you're a peawit, you plan for the worst case scenario of staying put...and that means adding at least a couple of teams in the short term. So adding teams tells us NOTHING about what may or may not happen with B1G/Pac expansion in 2023.

And to clarify, we aren’t adding teams necessarily. We are meeting about expansion. It could a year or two process that goes nowhere.

 

[JohnnyFive]

Don’t the presidents make these decisions? People underestimate the cultural fit Colorado State would be. Land Grant Ag school in old Big 12 territory. Don’t count them out.

I don’t understand the love for the bloated city colleges. Commuter schools don’t have any real fans. Houston cheers for A&M, UCF cheers the Gators. Memphis & Cincy fans may actually show up, however.

This. Also, if ISU is going to continue in the Big 12, I want fanbases that give a ****. To me, in terms of likeable fanbases we can build fun rivalries with, Cincy and Memphis are the two I want the most. BYU might bring the most viewers but there’s some Texas diva in their fanbase too. And the whole ISU drinking with BYU fans in town, not really sure theyre a good cultural fit. By and large the fanbases/road trips I would enjoy the most would be Memphis, Cincy, Colorado State, Tulane, then Houston, BYU.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Colorado State. So you want the team from the Mountain West that was 6th in the attendance in 2019 with a little over 23,000 fans. That is really gonna be a deal maker.

Mountain West football posts its lowest attendance ever. Here's why.

For the second straight season, the Mountain West posted its lowest football attendance in league history. The 2018 season saw an average of23,862 fans per home game hosted by MW schools. That was down 4. 4 percent from the season prior. In 2019, MW teams averaged23,254 fans per home game, the...

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You missed my point. The presidents look at things beyond who’s hot right now in football. Like academics, geography, and common values.

They’ve been down on their luck lately, but Sonny Lubick showed you can be successful there. Plenty of talent and viewers in the Denver area.

 

[Cyforce]

Will be VERY interesting if new Big 12 members taking a smaller share to join the league. That would help keep revenues high for the ANGRY 8 while still likely increasing the TV dollars for the new entries.

Example: BUY makes about $8M a year from TV. A new Big 12 could fetch roughly $25M+ per school by some estimates I've seen. The remaining 8 could ask for $30M a year. Leaving BYU, Cincy, UCF and USF approx. $15M/yr. That is double what AAC schools currently take in. Win-win?

How could a school possibly get less than KU for football? They seriously need to get their **** together or go play in the Big East.

 

[CYCLNST8]

This. Also, if ISU is going to continue in the Big 12, I want fanbases that give a ****. To me, in terms of likeable fanbases we can build fun rivalries with, Cincy and Memphis are the two I want the most. BYU might bring the most viewers but there’s some Texas diva in their fanbase too. And the whole ISU drinking with BYU fans in town, not really sure theyre a good cultural fit. By and large the fanbases/road trips I would enjoy the most would be Memphis, Cincy, Colorado State, Tulane, then Houston, BYU.

BYU is option #1 and it’s not debatable. They’re immediately available, have a strong football tradition, and a large loyal fan base.

Options 2-8 are wide open for debate.

 

[Draf]

Yahoo's Pete Thamel thinks Big 12 should expand to 16 teams:

Break those 16 teams into four pods to keep some of the league’s familiarity. The teams in the pods would play each other every year.

• West: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State and San Diego State
• Midwest: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma State
• Texas: Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston (Tulane could go here if the egos of the Texas schools foolishly block Houston.)
• East: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF and USF (Memphis could go here if two Florida schools aren't wanted.)

Full article: https://sports.yahoo.com/think-big-here-is-one-way-to-save-the-big-12-203016120.html

Well, one could look at it this way: if the Thamel 16 did in fact include Memphis and only one Florida team on the list, we'd have a 12 state conference. No logo changes needed.

Iowa, Idaho, Utah, Colorado, California, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Ohio, West Virginia, Florida, and Tennessee.

 

[cyclones500]

BYU is option #1 and it’s not debatable. They’re immediately available, have a strong football tradition, and a large loyal fan base.

Options 2-8 are wide open for debate.

And if BYU, as full-member, not football-only. Get in or don't.

 

[Win5002]

Houston played SMU, Tulsa and I think another Texas team maybe. What are those ratings in comparison to TT, Baylor or TCU? OSU has the highest rating of the remaining 8 so I know that answer.
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I know they got 5M against OU and I saw an article written that said Houston was the only team that had two 5M rated games in a 5 year span. They also had a decent rated game with Arizona on ABC on a Saturday regional game(and Arizona doesn't really get a lot of ratings).

UH in the B12 vs TT, TCU, Baylor & OSU is going to be much higher than UH vs SMU or Rice whatever those games were.

 

[HouClone]

Don’t the presidents make these decisions? People underestimate the cultural fit Colorado State would be. Land Grant Ag school in old Big 12 territory. Don’t count them out.

I don’t understand the love for the bloated city colleges. Commuter schools don’t have any real fans. Houston cheers for A&M, UCF cheers the Gators. Memphis & Cincy fans may actually show up, however.

Sadly this is true. Houston's new stadium is very nice. But the students, who go for free, don't go. It is all all alumni that go and it is not packed. They haven't had the good visiting teams to get up for though. In terms of basketball, their new basketball stadium is nice, they are good in basketball, and the games are well attended respectively.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Yahoo's Pete Thamel thinks Big 12 should expand to 16 teams:

Break those 16 teams into four pods to keep some of the league’s familiarity. The teams in the pods would play each other every year.

• West: Boise State, BYU, Colorado State and San Diego State
• Midwest: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma State
• Texas: Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston (Tulane could go here if the egos of the Texas schools foolishly block Houston.)
• East: Cincinnati, West Virginia, UCF and USF (Memphis could go here if two Florida schools aren't wanted.)

Full article: https://sports.yahoo.com/think-big-here-is-one-way-to-save-the-big-12-203016120.html

Thamel’s proposal is for this new 16-school nationwide Big 12 to play a lot of week-night games and generate buzz while it embraces being the #5 conference with wide gulfs on either side of it. Thats actually a really unambitious goal for the league IMO. The right additions could make the new Big 12 just as competitive on the field as the ACC or the Pac-12 and we should shoot for that. We can counteract less money and smaller markets with fans that actually care about college athletics and programs that are built to win.

 

[ripvdub]

Wait. Do not expand yet. Each of the 8 schools only lose if we expand too early. Lose out on any chance of ever moving back into a power conference.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

You missed my point. The presidents look at things beyond who’s hot right now in football. Like academics, geography, and common values.

They’ve been down on their luck lately, but Sonny Lubick showed you can be successful there. Plenty of talent and viewers in the Denver area.

I think some of the more high-minded values will be farther down the list in an emergency situation like this. You are the president of a Power 5 university and that status is threatened - you are much more likely to lean more heavily on who will bring in the most TV money and who will be a quality win when you play them. And not just based on how good they are right now, but on the bigger picture. UCF has invested a lot into football and will continue to do so with increased Big 12 money - and has awesome recruiting turf. Same with Cincinnati. Those programs can win at our level. And we need those opponents on our schedules to keep up the perception of the league.

 

[Beyerball]

Wait. Do not expand yet. Each of the 8 schools only lose if we expand too early. Lose out on any chance of ever moving back into a power conference.

If the Big 12 doesnt expand it will not exist as a Power Conf with playoff access..

The Big 12 has no choice.

 

[HouClone]

The AAC has a $15

If the Big 12 doesnt expand it will not exist as a Power Conf with playoff access..

The Big 12 has no choice.

Agreed.. Let's not half-ass this thing with 1 or 2. Let's go 4 to make it the Big 12 - home.

 

[HouClone]

I can't see Boise State due to it being the farthest school away even though they have had decent content in the past. Although one thing I do wonder is if the B12 had BYU and BSU would the league get more money if they played some 9 cst games like the PAC does. It could make BSU a better add. With CSU in MST could they start at 8pm their time if it adds value?I think if those schools were looked at those are 13 or 14 type additions and I would be surprised if they go past 12. The 1st 4 have to be BYU, Houston, UCF and Cincy.

I think you nailed it. Though adding Boise State would allow more late games. I would love to stick it to the Pac-12. They have that time slot all to themselves. I would think we would get some extra revenue to put on content there. Boise State disbanded wrestling. Maybe they bring it back.

 

[Win5002]

Thamel’s proposal is for this new 16-school nationwide Big 12 to play a lot of week-night games and generate buzz while it embraces being the #5 conference with wide gulfs on either side of it. Thats actually a really unambitious goal for the league IMO. The right additions could make the new Big 12 just as competitive on the field as the ACC or the Pac-12 and we should shoot for that. We can counteract less money and smaller markets with fans that actually care about college athletics and programs that are built to win.

I have wondered if weeknight games and late night starts would help the new contract.

The new B12 won't have the anchor schools the PAC like USC, UCLA, Or & UW or ACC FSU & Clemson has but should aim for doing as on the field and approach them closely ratings wise.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

I think you nailed it. Though adding Boise State would allow more late games. I would love to stick it to the Pac-12. They have that time slot all to themselves. I would think we would get some extra revenue to put on content there. Boise State disbanded wrestling. Maybe they bring it back.

It also helps that Boise State has been a top G5 program for many years I think. Part of this is ethereal "perception." We want to be perceived as a power league. Boise has been playing power league-worthy football for many years and everyone knows it. If they also bring fan eyeballs, let's do it. I just hope we would ask them to install green turf!

They are the top sports team (not just college sports) in a state about as large as Nebraska or West Virginia, and Idaho was also the second-fastest growing state in the country over the last decade. (The first? Utah.)

Boise vs. BYU in a 10 PM ET rivalry game in the Big 12 would be a game I would absolutely tune into.