How ISU stacks up against BCS schools

[cyman05]

I hate that when people see the name Iowa St on the players chest, they don't have a clue about the facts. People calling out ISU's worthiness are mostly ignorant or they believe only teams in big TV markets should have college sports teams.

Check this out...ISU vs. BCS competition

School...'10 ave FB attend...bowls since 2000...team revenue...men BB attend.

ISU 45,395 6 bowls (3 wins) 46.8 million 12,491

B 33,263 1 bowl (1 win) 49.9 million 13,623

C 24,532 3 bowls (2 wins) 39.3 million 7,323

D 52,575 10 bowls (5 wins) 56 million 4,763

E 46,864 5 bowls (1 win) 49.4 million 6,267

F 28,750 0 bowls 68.5 million 9,314

G 46,449 11 bowls (3 wins) 46.9 million 7,979

H 41,953 1 bowl (0 wins) 68.7 million 15,296

I 82,477 7 bowls (1 win) 71.8 million 9,889

J 54,999 3 bowls (2 wins) 38.1 million 6,878

K 40,042 3 bowls (1 win) 81.7 million 6,598

L 40,064 3 bowls (2 wins) 49.3 million 22,152

M 49,513 8 bowls (3 wins) 73.6 million 13,453

N 45,459 6 bowls (3 wins) 81.8 million 10,141


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B...Vandy
C...Washington State
D...Miami
E...Colorado
F...Duke
G...Georgia Tech
H...Indiana
I...Texas A&M
J...Mississippi State
K...Stanford
L...Syracuse
M...Minnesota
N...Virginia

 

[Stewo]

Iowa State does get dirt kicked in it's face quite a bit for no apparent reason. Just goes with the territory until they start winning more games.

 

[flander1649]

The only difference is all of those teams are in stable conferences (except Cuse) and ISU is not.

 

[rholtgraves]

The problem is that you are comparing teams that are in conferences that are stable. Washington State doesn't have to worry because they are in the Pac 10, Vanderbilt doesn't have to worry because the are in the SEC. We do have to worry. It would have been better if you would have put the other Big 12 schools on there like Baylor, KSU, Texas Tech, OSU, Kansas.

 

[heitclone]

I think the point he's making is that ISU is just as relevant as many other teams in BCS conferences. Guys like Jim Rome saying "ISU has a big 12 lifestyle with a conference USA resume" don't know what they're talking about. They aren't saying that about any of the other teams on this list, even though we're on the level with them.

 

[PabloDiablo]

I think the point he's making is that ISU is just as relevant as many other teams in BCS conferences. Guys like Jim Rome saying "ISU has a big 12 lifestyle with a conference USA resume" don't know what they're talking about. They aren't saying that about any of the other teams on this list, even though we're on the level with them.

Exactly, I don't think the OP was immediately making the connection with realignment, just more about public perception and media attitude toward ISU.

No one will argue that football shitholes like Vandy and Wazzou are in better position for realignment talk. But to see that schools like Miss St., GA tech and Miami are not much different than ISU in actual achievements would definitely change minds.

The media is so focused on "tradition" that they **** on teams that don't have much public perception of success because it's easy and they have to take minimal risk of ******* someone off.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

CW should post this on Twitter

 

[cyclones500]

I think the point he's making is that ISU is just as relevant as many other teams in BCS conferences. Guys like Jim Rome saying "ISU has a big 12 lifestyle with a conference USA resume" don't know what they're talking about. They aren't saying that about any of the other teams on this list, even though we're on the level with them.

I think you're right about the point of the post. The previous responses are good to point out comparing to teams in stable conferences.

Combining those two, I'd be curious how schools would be analyzed if a different conference was imploding. Somehow I feel like Wazoo, Indiana, Northwestern, Vandy and Duke wouldn't be hung out to dry in the same way, if shoes were on other ... um, "foots.":unsure:

 

[mt85]

Just keep winning. KSU was consider one of the worst jobs in Division 1 before Snyder turned things around. Perceptions can be changed.

 

[rholtgraves]

Reallignment is why people are talking about TV sets, and worthiness so this about realignment.

 

[ShockRerun]

Exactly, I don't think the OP was immediately making the connection with realignment, just more about public perception and media attitude toward ISU.

No one will argue that football shitholes like Vandy and Wazzou are in better position for realignment talk. But to see that schools like Miss St., GA tech and Miami are not much different than ISU in actual achievements would definitely change minds.

The media is so focused on "tradition" that they **** on teams that don't have much public perception of success because it's easy and they have to take minimal risk of ******* someone off.

But tradition means a lot, thats why the name schools can get good again and there name is a national brand. even the decimated Miami will still have a lot of clout because it is a name even if they suck for the next ten years. That said bad reputations can hold you down as well. But winning changes everything.

 

[cyman05]

I think the point he's making is that ISU is just as relevant as many other teams in BCS conferences. Guys like Jim Rome saying "ISU has a big 12 lifestyle with a conference USA resume" don't know what they're talking about. They aren't saying that about any of the other teams on this list, even though we're on the level with them.

Yeah. That was my point. I understand that if you're in the PAC, the Big 10, SEC, or ACC that you'll always be safe no matter how bad you may be. But if all the media is going to do is question some school's "worthiness" then you'd better...

1. question the worthiness of all "safe" teams
2. look more at objective facts than public opinion

I understand that at the end of the day only teams from the Big 12 and Big East may get left out and that who gets left out comes down to 2 criteria

1. population in your home TV market...OR
2. national branding in football (which equates to tradition)

I just hate people throwing ISU under the bus when they have no idea how ISU's objective #'s stack up against some of those other schools.

 

[cyman05]

My other point was, "which one of the numbers above shows that ISU doesn't deserve to play with the big boys?" None.

If that's true, then let's call it like it is and say we're kicking ISU out of the big boy conferences because they're not in a large TV market. Branding and large TV markets are how we will now determine the "worthiness" of college sports programs. Not academics, enrollment, facilities, overall athletic department success, or any other measure. University presidents, it's time for you to man up and call it like it is and say we're running for the money and we don't care who we hurt in the process.

 

[PabloDiablo]

But tradition means a lot, thats why the name schools can get good again and there name is a national brand. even the decimated Miami will still have a lot of clout because it is a name even if they suck for the next ten years. That said bad reputations can hold you down as well. But winning changes everything.

You're exactly right, it makes it a lot easier for teams with down years to come back strong with only minor tweaks to rosters and staff. But the media will continue to favor schools with "tradition" in most situations even if they are going against schools who have achieved more recently just so they don't aggravate larger fan bases. For example, the number on people picking Iowa over ISU.

Traditionally speaking, relative to the rest of the Big Ten, Iowa has done well. Whereas, ISU, despite having good success against Iowa (7-6 over last 13 meetings) is not as good relative to the rest of the Big 12. This leads media types to pick Iowa every time due to the perceived quality of their program and not actual results.

 

[cyclones500]

My other point was, "which one of the numbers above shows that ISU doesn't deserve to play with the big boys?" None.

If that's true, then let's call it like it is and say we're kicking ISU out of the big boy conferences because they're not in a large TV market.

Good point.

(And original point, too)

As I posted here a day or two ago, the argument for whether ISU is "worth keeping" is selective.

I'm beginning to think it's not all anti-ISU bias. I think some analysts realize Iowa State might get left out in realignment and it seems strange for a traditional big-conference member, so it requires justification.

Other less-informed people pick up on the justifications, maybe consider recent athletic performance and jump to an easy conclusion.

 

[HoopsTournament]

ONE BIG AND I MEAN VERY BIG KEY POINT IN REALIGNMENT

The media does not make the decisions. The people that do make the decisions have a different perception of Iowa State than the media does.

 

[cyman05]

ONE BIG AND I MEAN VERY BIG KEY POINT IN REALIGNMENT

The media does not make the decisions. The people that do make the decisions have a different perception of Iowa State than the media does.

Sure hope you're right...just seems to me they're listening a lot more to the dollar bills that ESPN is handing out more than common sense.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

CU won something like 6 bowls in a row in the 90's...Some of those teams have a lot of tradition, even though they are in some down years right now (not all). That helps perception a lot when media figures see names on a piece of paper, you have to remember that.

 

[cyman05]

CU won something like 6 bowls in a row in the 90's...Some of those teams have a lot of tradition, even though they are in some down years right now (not all). That helps perception a lot when media figures see names on a piece of paper, you have to remember that.

You're exactly right. Obviously the date I used when looking at bowl history is biased. And I understand tradition in the 80's or 90's gives media members today a certain perception of a school.

But does that mean that lack of tradition in the 80's or 90's mean that a school today is inferior to the others? By what criteria is the media judging schools? Part of my point is that if the media is going to throw ISU under the bus then they better be throwing a lot of other teams under the bus as well...And their perceptions of ISU aren't factually based, but based in ignorance more than anything.

 

[ISU_Alum_2000]

ONE BIG AND I MEAN VERY BIG KEY POINT IN REALIGNMENT

The media does not make the decisions. The people that do make the decisions have a different perception of Iowa State than the media does.

Agreed.

It's a good thing that people with the facts (ADs, Presidents, BORs) are making the re-alignment decisions, and not the media.

Don't forget that ISU is also an AAU member, which is also an attractive bonus on our resume.