Hoiberg Coaching (at UNI)
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I would go as far as to say that could not be any more wrong. Nobody on this team is more talented than Stinson, Blalock or Homan. It's debatable if anybody is more talented than Staple or Clark.
That was Wayne's 2nd to last year. And we had an amazing 7 game run to get into the tournament. But that team was pretty much crap for most of the season. We got beat in the ugliest game I've ever witnessed against Colorado at Hilton.
That team also had Stinson and Blalock and Homan. That's three pretty good players.
You're right. I was thinking of the 04-05 team that was average as well and made the tourney.
I think DG vs Blalock is a wash, Anderson vs Stinson wash, Ejim vs Clark is a win for Ejim, Godfrey is better than Staple, Homan has advantages against JVB but that is a weird match up. Scott, Bubu and Phillips are better than Dave Braet, John Neal and Tasheed Carr and the 04-05 team had no big bodies off the bench.
This team is more talented.
This team is more talented.
Actually, that team should have been better than average. Homan, Blalock and Stinson are 3 players that played professionally.
I really think Ejim needs to be more involved in the offense. Yes, I know he already has good numbers this season, but a lot of those tend to come from garbage baskets and rebounds. He may be at a disadvantage playing down low and defending the 4 spot, but at the same time he is a big mismatch on the offensive end. Get him out 15ft or more, and let him go to work against a big trying to guard him on the perimeter. The times he had 1-on-1 openings in the Creighton game against Lawson/McDermott, Melvin was very successful in either shot faking and putting it on the floor, or he stepped back and drilled some outside jumpers.
And that does not even mean he has to shoot everytime, but we need more creators than just DG and Jake. I love Jake's no fear attitude, but typically when he has been aggressive he's taking the ball himself and does not look for others. Scott has the capability of putting it on the floor with those runners, but that is more off of screens and not completely by himself. Bubu can attack but at this point is not much of threat to score. JVB is largely a pick and pop guy. So all of those reasons are why I think Melvin should get a lot more looks as a primary option on many possessions. Maybe if Phillips comes back and continues to get more minutes, he can also provide some help.
Regardless of the officiating, this will not be the last game where our outside shots which we are so dependent upon are not falling, coupled with lack of offensive rebounding and foul trouble. Teams will try to limit uptempo and clamp down on DG, pick and rolls w/JVB, and forcing guys to take the ball to the basket. Better to start finding some of other options to finish up non-conf before we get into Big 12 play.
I cannot wait until next year when we have a full roster loaded with athletes to get up and down the court even more so than this year, and I really think with all of the guards we'll have, Fred will/should increase the defensive pressure and do more full-court/trapping.
And that does not even mean he has to shoot everytime, but we need more creators than just DG and Jake. I love Jake's no fear attitude, but typically when he has been aggressive he's taking the ball himself and does not look for others. Scott has the capability of putting it on the floor with those runners, but that is more off of screens and not completely by himself. Bubu can attack but at this point is not much of threat to score. JVB is largely a pick and pop guy. So all of those reasons are why I think Melvin should get a lot more looks as a primary option on many possessions. Maybe if Phillips comes back and continues to get more minutes, he can also provide some help.
Regardless of the officiating, this will not be the last game where our outside shots which we are so dependent upon are not falling, coupled with lack of offensive rebounding and foul trouble. Teams will try to limit uptempo and clamp down on DG, pick and rolls w/JVB, and forcing guys to take the ball to the basket. Better to start finding some of other options to finish up non-conf before we get into Big 12 play.
I cannot wait until next year when we have a full roster loaded with athletes to get up and down the court even more so than this year, and I really think with all of the guards we'll have, Fred will/should increase the defensive pressure and do more full-court/trapping.
What exactly are you basing any of this on? Possibly the ability to play a good game of chess?
It really came down to rebounding and stupid fouls. Get more defensive rebounds and you can push the ball. Foul late in the shot clock and UNI takes a minute off the clock.
The only other option is pressing and really trying to force some turnovers. Not really something we can do with a limited bench.
We missed plenty of open shots. They just weren't falling.
You've got to be kidding me. This is the craziest thing I have read on here in a long time.
Jake is a great leader and a good player, but there was a reason he averaged 15 points a game at a mid-major (at best) school for 3 years. 7 games into his career there is no way that Ejim is better than Clark. I like DG so I'll say he is pretty close to Blalock.
2004-2005 was Clark's fresh yr. Ejim is better at this point in his fresh yr than Clark.
Look at the way Railey played tonight. No big off the bench on that 04-05 team could do that.
I am not saying that this team will accomplish more, only that they are more talented. The big 12 is much stronger this year than in 04-05.
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I was going to stay away tonight, but...
I felt CFH did OK, in game. There is a lot more to coaching though, and while UNI was able to dictate tempo, our guys still played tough.
There were a couple of times I felt the game was about to get out of hand, but the team fought back every time. That says a lot about coaching, IMO.
Shots weren't falling. There is definitely an absence of a low post threat. Our best defender in the paint may possibly be Railey, and he, CG and JVB for that matter, have never seen this kind of physical play. I think it caught them by surprise, which led to all of the fouls. Chalk it up to a learning experience.
Someone else brought up the inability to press, and I believe it is valid. We are missing one or two pieces for an effective press, which is about the only thing we could have done differently for us to dictate. It is much easier to slow a game down than to speed it up, especially when you have a 5th year PG who is used to slowing it down.
There are always things to pick at after a loss, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Shows the passion of the fanbase, and is a way to self-medicate.
Just remember the coaching aspects not everyone gets to see, i.e. what happens between games. I am very interested to see how the guys respond on Saturday.
Wow...rambled a bit there.
I felt CFH did OK, in game. There is a lot more to coaching though, and while UNI was able to dictate tempo, our guys still played tough.
There were a couple of times I felt the game was about to get out of hand, but the team fought back every time. That says a lot about coaching, IMO.
Shots weren't falling. There is definitely an absence of a low post threat. Our best defender in the paint may possibly be Railey, and he, CG and JVB for that matter, have never seen this kind of physical play. I think it caught them by surprise, which led to all of the fouls. Chalk it up to a learning experience.
Someone else brought up the inability to press, and I believe it is valid. We are missing one or two pieces for an effective press, which is about the only thing we could have done differently for us to dictate. It is much easier to slow a game down than to speed it up, especially when you have a 5th year PG who is used to slowing it down.
There are always things to pick at after a loss, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Shows the passion of the fanbase, and is a way to self-medicate.
Just remember the coaching aspects not everyone gets to see, i.e. what happens between games. I am very interested to see how the guys respond on Saturday.
Wow...rambled a bit there.
CycloneErik
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I don't think Ejim is debatable. I think that a case can at least be made for him.
I admit i was skeptical at first about Fred. However, he is a brilliant man. I have seen nothing that leads me to believe he isn't going to be a great coach. Just go with it. Let's face it we weren't making shots. It happens
:skeptical: Just a question about how people think CFH did, and obviously a valid one, since there are 4 pages of responses. And I'm not quite to that age yet..still livin' the good life of being a college student at ISU...maybe you've forgotten those days and have turned a little sour?
Hoiberg needs to get used to adjusting to playing games that are reffed like the game tonight. Hand checks and contact on driving guards was not being called and thus the offense needed to be adjusted accordingly. Slow it down a little and show the refs that you are under control while driving and you're more likely to get some of the calls.
That being said, I really hope that the Big12 officials will not call a game like this. It has been apparent throughout the years that in non-conference play, the conference that the officials are used to reffing has a lot to do with what they consider a foul. I assume that this group hasn't done a lot of Big12 games as they would get booed off the court night in and night out. But, in the MVC, how they called the game may mirror the typical pace of the game. It's just a different style of basketball (which our former coach never figured out).
That being said, I really hope that the Big12 officials will not call a game like this. It has been apparent throughout the years that in non-conference play, the conference that the officials are used to reffing has a lot to do with what they consider a foul. I assume that this group hasn't done a lot of Big12 games as they would get booed off the court night in and night out. But, in the MVC, how they called the game may mirror the typical pace of the game. It's just a different style of basketball (which our former coach never figured out).
You're right. I was thinking of the 04-05 team that was average as well and made the tourney.
Sigh....I know what I'm about to write has nothing to do with CFH and that I might come off as a bit of an *****, but "average" teams don't win 7 games in a row in a tough conference much less #2 Kansas on the road, much much less make the NCAA tournament and go the 2nd round of said tournament.
I don't know if there's still a lot of residual hate for Wayne Morgan on this board or what, even though it's ancient history by now, but it still frustrates me to no end that quite a few on this board still don't give him or his teams any credit whatsoever for some pretty good moments a few years ago.
Sigh....I know what I'm about to write has nothing to do with CFH and that I might come off as a bit of an *****, but "average" teams don't win 7 games in a row in a tough conference much less #2 Kansas on the road, much much less make the NCAA tournament and go the 2nd round of said tournament.
I don't know if there's still a lot of residual hate for Wayne Morgan on this board or what, even though it's ancient history by now, but it still frustrates me to no end that quite a few on this board still don't give him or his teams any credit whatsoever for some pretty good moments a few years ago.
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