You can, they almost never do. A pattern of drops over a career is rarely fixed.
Hakeem Butler Projected to go #6 Overall
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You can, they almost never do. A pattern of drops over a career is rarely fixed.
They don't get the picks wrong. However, the amount of info they collect on every player is crazy. THey don't just throw up a draft board and that is the only thing they do.
This can't be true. The national writers have assured me that ISU has no talent and is just outscheming everyone.
Yeah, you don't run the route right or don't catch the ball you get in some QB's dog house.
I'll eat a hat if that happens. He's an amazing receiver but the NFL is all about consistency. He has so many headscratching drops. I can't imagine it going well if he had these drops with Rodgers. Further, he doesn't offer any special teams value. It really comes down to his 40 time but I could see the same thing happening with him as what happened with Lazard.
The talent and consistency level for skill positition players in the NFL is insane. Butler is a self made, amazing player so I won't put anything by him but at ISU I think we really tend to overvalue what we have when looking towards the NFL (although in this case it's another website doing that). That said, I expect him drafted when he does choose to go but I see him more as a mid-rounder. Very interested to see where Montgomery will go, as well.
The talent and consistency level for skill positition players in the NFL is insane. Butler is a self made, amazing player so I won't put anything by him but at ISU I think we really tend to overvalue what we have when looking towards the NFL (although in this case it's another website doing that). That said, I expect him drafted when he does choose to go but I see him more as a mid-rounder. Very interested to see where Montgomery will go, as well.
It would be ******* awesome to see Butler at #6 and DM in the first round too. If they’re going to leave early, might as well be for the 1st round. They deserve it, and it would be good for recruiting.
Like the author said, Butler is raw. His hands and route running will hopefully improve to WR1 level .
Like the author said, Butler is raw. His hands and route running will hopefully improve to WR1 level .
All I know is I have never seen another Cyclone WR where when he gets tackled he always has 3 guys there immediately. Every time Butler catches the ball it is like there are 3 tiny elves hanging on his legs trying to bring him down, usually almost immediately.
I can't imagine the positive benefits the offense must have with the attention he's getting.
I can't imagine the positive benefits the offense must have with the attention he's getting.
The drops are certainly a concern, but man does that guy manhandle DBs. Besides his speed and height, he must be pretty darn strong. The Cyclone in me wants him to stay another year, but the reality is he is a stud and a guy that could help a lot of teams in the NFL. Just needs to catch those easy passes. Drove me nuts last week when he dropped that 6 yard turn in that was right too him.
If ISU doesn't make it to the Big 12 championship game this year, wouldn't it be really cool if Butler and Montgomery came back to make another run? That would be really cool...
Didn't McShay start the Stanley 1st rounder nonsense?
Which means Jerry will go in a completely different direction.
Boy, the Lazard thing last year really jaded you guys.
He's a dominant 6'5" 220 WR with high end athleticism who has only played football for a few years now. If you can only find one weakness in that package that's a ton of a potential, not just to make it in the NFL, but to excel in it. His strength during and after the catch is a potential game breaker every time he touches the ball.
The "you can't coach drops" out of people is BS. His drops are lapses in fundamentals that are very fixable.
He's a dominant 6'5" 220 WR with high end athleticism who has only played football for a few years now. If you can only find one weakness in that package that's a ton of a potential, not just to make it in the NFL, but to excel in it. His strength during and after the catch is a potential game breaker every time he touches the ball.
The "you can't coach drops" out of people is BS. His drops are lapses in fundamentals that are very fixable.
LOL yep and he had Mitch Leidner as a first rounder going into his senior year at Minnesota and he was freakin terrible.
It's not BS. Guys rarely fix long term drop patterns. Lazard couldn't do it. TO couldn't do it. Laquan Treadwell can't do it. There's a reason the NFL looks at drops so negatively and it's because they know it hangs around and you can't afford that. The thing that Butler has over Lazard is that he's more explosive so maybe he overcomes it. To say that it's BS that drops, in large part, don't ever get fixed is incorrect, though.
If we were talking about someone with an NFL career I might agree with you but we're talking about a JR in college. That's not a long pattern of drops.
He has good hands and his drops are due to very fixable problems. There's no reason to think it's unfixable.
Except that it doesn't happen. I'm trying to find the data I read on this a couple years ago when this same issue came up somewhere else but I'm not having any luck.
Out of curiosity, what do you think his problems are?
