If Wesley Johnson can fill in at 2 guard, GMac has 4 guards on scholarship, plus walk ons Mark Currie, Brock Jacobsen, Cris Ceasar and Tyler Norman and maybe Patrick Conrad. Apparently he will bring in at least 2 more in this class. During the LE/TF years we had Willoughby, Horton, Sullivan and Tinsley that were quality guards. Willoughby and Horton followed their old coaches to ISU. JC Holloway was a quality guard, but he was Johnny's recruit. The point I am making is for 8 years the 2 "greatest" coaches ever at ISU didn't do a very good job of recruiting guards, the key to success in college bball. Seems GMac is determined to fill that void.
Guards for GMac
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Tim Floyd recruited Kirk Hinrich to ISU. Last I knew he turned out decent.
It helps to stick around for more than a few years...
It helps to stick around for more than a few years...
I think guards are a very increasing necessity in college ball. It used to be that you needed a couple 6-10 or bigger big men that could touch the ball away from the rim, now you rarely find that. If you have Wesley and Clark on the floor at the same time, they are going to need to raise the roof of Hilton or we may have some problems
GMac does seem to notice that ISU has great history developing guards and we need them in the BigXII because of the toughness and talent of the league. I have no fears that we will be fine with guards going forward.
GMac does seem to notice that ISU has great history developing guards and we need them in the BigXII because of the toughness and talent of the league. I have no fears that we will be fine with guards going forward.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Oldgeezer @ 07-13-06 8:51 am) [post=7194]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> If Wesley Johnson can fill in at 2 guard, GMac has 4 guards on scholarship, plus walk ons Mark Currie, Brock Jacobsen, Cris Ceasar and Tyler Norman and maybe Patrick Conrad. Apparently he will bring in at least 2 more in this class. During the LE/TF years we had Willoughby, Horton, Sullivan and Tinsley that were quality guards. Willoughby and Horton followed their old coaches to ISU. JC Holloway was a quality guard, but he was Johnny's recruit. The point I am making is for 8 years the 2 "greatest" coaches ever at ISU didn't do a very good job of recruiting guards, the key to success in college bball. Seems GMac is determined to fill that void. [/b][/quote]
Willoughby, Horton, and Sullivan were all lights out midrange and longrange jump shooters. That's what we've really lacked over the Stinson/Blalock years. Neither could create their own outside shot, and neither was the deadeye shooter you need to force defenses to overcompensate and help out.
If Taylor and McIntosh can light it up from the outside like their doing in the CC League, and create their own shot, i'm thinking we'll see a lot more scoring from Gray, Marsden, Hubalek, and maybe even the Johnsons.
Willoughby, Horton, and Sullivan were all lights out midrange and longrange jump shooters. That's what we've really lacked over the Stinson/Blalock years. Neither could create their own outside shot, and neither was the deadeye shooter you need to force defenses to overcompensate and help out.
If Taylor and McIntosh can light it up from the outside like their doing in the CC League, and create their own shot, i'm thinking we'll see a lot more scoring from Gray, Marsden, Hubalek, and maybe even the Johnsons.
I agree. Michael Nurse could light it up!! Let's hope some of our new guys can as well. Sure is fun being a Cyclone!!
nurse wasnt that good until he got hit by a truck then all of a sudden brought us back against western ill hitting 3 pointer after 3 pointer and never missed a beat sense maybe we should make a habit of hitting our gaurds with trucks to make them shoot better(i really dont suggest this)
It will be interesting to see how any of these guys actually end up performing. Highly touted recruits don't always equal memorable Big XII performers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ncgrant @ 07-13-06 10:19 am) [post=7208]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> Tim Floyd recruited Kirk Hinrich to ISU. Last I knew he turned out decent.
It helps to stick around for more than a few years...
[/b][/quote] And just how minutes did Kirk Hinrich play for ISU? Stinson and Blalock were recruited by WM for LE and they were quality guards, and I forgot Mike Nurse, but there was a definate lack of quality guards during the recent past.
It helps to stick around for more than a few years...
[/b][/quote] And just how minutes did Kirk Hinrich play for ISU? Stinson and Blalock were recruited by WM for LE and they were quality guards, and I forgot Mike Nurse, but there was a definate lack of quality guards during the recent past.
Who was the Aussie guard Floyd recruited that ended up not being eligible?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vanillathrilla @ 07-13-06 4:32 pm) [post=7290]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> What about Ricky Morgan, he was good...
, wait, he was TERRIBLE. [/b][/quote]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vanillathrilla @ 07-13-06 4:32 pm) [post=7290]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> What about Ricky Morgan, he was good...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(johnsonjj @ 07-14-06 1:50 pm) [post=7391]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> Who was the Aussie guard Floyd recruited that ended up not being eligible?
C J Bruton?
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C J Bruton?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Oldgeezer @ 07-13-06 3:31 pm) [post=7281]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'> And just how minutes did Kirk Hinrich play for ISU? Stinson and Blalock were recruited by WM for LE and they were quality guards, and I forgot Mike Nurse, but there was a definate lack of quality guards during the recent past. [/b][/quote]
Hinrich signed a LOI to play at ISU. So did Bruton. So did Jerome Harper. A coaching change and NCAA eligibility kept them from playing here. I don't recall that Horton had previously played for LE, I believe he was recruited here, Whether you like it or not, Stinson and Blalock came to ISU to play for LE, not WM. You did acknowledge Sullivan and Tinsley. Someone pointed out Mike Nurse, who played much better once Tinsley took over at the point. Let's not forget Shane Power, he was a solid SG (though he left because LE was an a-hole).
The point I'm trying to make is that TF and LE DID actually recruit some quality guards to ISU, although for various reasons (some outside of their control) they didn't all work out. For you to suggest, however, that TF and LE didn't do a good job of recruiting guards, I think is inaccurate.
Hinrich signed a LOI to play at ISU. So did Bruton. So did Jerome Harper. A coaching change and NCAA eligibility kept them from playing here. I don't recall that Horton had previously played for LE, I believe he was recruited here, Whether you like it or not, Stinson and Blalock came to ISU to play for LE, not WM. You did acknowledge Sullivan and Tinsley. Someone pointed out Mike Nurse, who played much better once Tinsley took over at the point. Let's not forget Shane Power, he was a solid SG (though he left because LE was an a-hole).
The point I'm trying to make is that TF and LE DID actually recruit some quality guards to ISU, although for various reasons (some outside of their control) they didn't all work out. For you to suggest, however, that TF and LE didn't do a good job of recruiting guards, I think is inaccurate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ncgrant @ 07-15-06 10:01 am) [post=7441]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Hinrich signed a LOI to play at ISU. So did Bruton. So did Jerome Harper. A coaching change and NCAA eligibility kept them from playing here. I don't recall that Horton had previously played for LE, I believe he was recruited here, Whether you like it or not, Stinson and Blalock came to ISU to play for LE, not WM. You did acknowledge Sullivan and Tinsley. Someone pointed out Mike Nurse, who played much better once Tinsley took over at the point. Let's not forget Shane Power, he was a solid SG (though he left because LE was an a-hole).
The point I'm trying to make is that TF and LE DID actually recruit some quality guards to ISU, although for various reasons (some outside of their control) they didn't all work out. For you to suggest, however, that TF and LE didn't do a good job of recruiting guards, I think is inaccurate.
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Well there have been rumors swirling over why Shane Power suddenly transfered across the country, and some of them are pretty outragous. So if they were true, then he should of transfered......
Hinrich signed a LOI to play at ISU. So did Bruton. So did Jerome Harper. A coaching change and NCAA eligibility kept them from playing here. I don't recall that Horton had previously played for LE, I believe he was recruited here, Whether you like it or not, Stinson and Blalock came to ISU to play for LE, not WM. You did acknowledge Sullivan and Tinsley. Someone pointed out Mike Nurse, who played much better once Tinsley took over at the point. Let's not forget Shane Power, he was a solid SG (though he left because LE was an a-hole).
The point I'm trying to make is that TF and LE DID actually recruit some quality guards to ISU, although for various reasons (some outside of their control) they didn't all work out. For you to suggest, however, that TF and LE didn't do a good job of recruiting guards, I think is inaccurate.
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Well there have been rumors swirling over why Shane Power suddenly transfered across the country, and some of them are pretty outragous. So if they were true, then he should of transfered......
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(9seven @ 07-15-06 12:06 pm) [post=7445]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Well there have been rumors swirling over why Shane Power suddenly transfered across the country, and some of them are pretty outragous. So if they were true, then he should of transfered......
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Rumors recently? I haven't heard about that for ages. I've always heard that it was because LE was a verbally abusive jerk. Finding out later that LE was an alcoholic seemed to substantiate that. What have you heard?
Well there have been rumors swirling over why Shane Power suddenly transfered across the country, and some of them are pretty outragous. So if they were true, then he should of transfered......
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Rumors recently? I haven't heard about that for ages. I've always heard that it was because LE was a verbally abusive jerk. Finding out later that LE was an alcoholic seemed to substantiate that. What have you heard?
Well if we're talking about the best guards who didn't make it, Fizer's friend Gerrod Henderson would have been immediatly made us more succussful when they were freshmen. For those who don't remember, he was a 6'4" guard who didn't make it for academic reasons I think. He ended up at Louisiana Tech and averaged like 18pts/game, and was named the conference player of the year at one point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ncgrant @ 07-15-06 11:01 am) [post=7441]Quoted post[/post]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Hinrich signed a LOI to play at ISU. So did Bruton. So did Jerome Harper. A coaching change and NCAA eligibility kept them from playing here. I don't recall that Horton had previously played for LE, I believe he was recruited here, Whether you like it or not, Stinson and Blalock came to ISU to play for LE, not WM. You did acknowledge Sullivan and Tinsley. Someone pointed out Mike Nurse, who played much better once Tinsley took over at the point. Let's not forget Shane Power, he was a solid SG (though he left because LE was an a-hole).
The point I'm trying to make is that TF and LE DID actually recruit some quality guards to ISU, although for various reasons (some outside of their control) they didn't all work out. For you to suggest, however, that TF and LE didn't do a good job of recruiting guards, I think is inaccurate.
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I understand your point, but let's clear up a few things here. Horton was recruited by LE to play at S. Utah and then followed LE to ISU but redshirted after he bacame eligible the second semester of LE's first year. Stinson and Blalock were indeed recruited by LE, but LE wasn't bringing in guards of this quality before WM came into the picture. And while Shane Power was a good guard and a quality person, he left ISU in his prime because, using your words, "LE was an a-hole." The truth is LE and TF did a horrible job of recruiting and retaining quality guards during the last two years of each of their coaching careers at ISU.
Hinrich signed a LOI to play at ISU. So did Bruton. So did Jerome Harper. A coaching change and NCAA eligibility kept them from playing here. I don't recall that Horton had previously played for LE, I believe he was recruited here, Whether you like it or not, Stinson and Blalock came to ISU to play for LE, not WM. You did acknowledge Sullivan and Tinsley. Someone pointed out Mike Nurse, who played much better once Tinsley took over at the point. Let's not forget Shane Power, he was a solid SG (though he left because LE was an a-hole).
The point I'm trying to make is that TF and LE DID actually recruit some quality guards to ISU, although for various reasons (some outside of their control) they didn't all work out. For you to suggest, however, that TF and LE didn't do a good job of recruiting guards, I think is inaccurate.
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I understand your point, but let's clear up a few things here. Horton was recruited by LE to play at S. Utah and then followed LE to ISU but redshirted after he bacame eligible the second semester of LE's first year. Stinson and Blalock were indeed recruited by LE, but LE wasn't bringing in guards of this quality before WM came into the picture. And while Shane Power was a good guard and a quality person, he left ISU in his prime because, using your words, "LE was an a-hole." The truth is LE and TF did a horrible job of recruiting and retaining quality guards during the last two years of each of their coaching careers at ISU.
