Free Throws Attempted by Big 12 Guard

[RotatingColumn]

Did they tell you to make situational calls? Like waiting to see if the shot goes in before calling the foul?

I see SO many fouls where the shooter isn't touched. Are you trained to just go ahead and call it just in case there might have been a foul?

Seems to me that it's "when in doubt, blow the whistle"

 

[Clone_12]

Did they tell you to make situational calls? Like waiting to see if the shot goes in before calling the foul?

I see SO many fouls where the shooter isn't touched. Are you trained to just go ahead and call it just in case there might have been a foul?

Seems to me that it's "when in doubt, blow the whistle"

That's a problem...you are taught to call what you see, and to not anticipate calls...not promising you that's always what happens, but that's what is taught.

 

[RotatingColumn]

That's a problem...you are taught to call what you see, and to not anticipate calls...not promising you that's always what happens, but that's what is taught.

That's the terminology I was looking for. Calling anticipated fouls.

 

[Clone_12]

Another misconception is that the better team always gets the calls...

I can tell you that the agressor will usually draw more fouls...and it's a lot easier to be the agressor when you are bigger, faster, and stronger than the other team.

 

[4429 mcc]

There's no such thing as getting bumped. If you breathe on the guy penetrating it will be called. College is a game of free throws and penalties for playing defense.

Not in the big east...looks like a game of street ball.

 

[Tornado man]

I'm not sure why you guys are trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. Lucca isn't the type of player who is willing to get into the lane and score or draw contact.

Fixed it for ya...

 

[nhclone]

No, not really. It's all pretty ticky-tack. You can't watch 5 minutes without play being stopped for free throws. Almost impossible not to make it to the line.

Sounds like a little bit too much anger over basketball officiating to me. Yes there are a lot of crews that try to make the game less physical and call tight fouls, but that is not the rule. Most officials let the games play out for the most part. I guarantee you that you would end up on your backside one play wondering why there wasn't a foul called if you played in one of these games. Playing in high school the games got pretty rough sometimes and they certaintly don't call them tighter in college ball.

 

[shildreth]

Has he ever tried it?

yes, but he turned it over instead.... :skeptical:

 

[Chitowncy]

There's no such thing as getting bumped. If you breathe on the guy penetrating it will be called. College is a game of free throws and penalties for playing defense.

This initial post has a really good point. ISU's guards struggle to get to the line. When you factor in how well Lucca and Peterson shoot from the line, it's makes it hurt even more!

Also, the points about Sullivan are right on. He just had a knack for getting to the line and using his body well. Sullivan is a perfect example of a crafty player who knew how to get himself to the line; I hoped Lucca would be similar coming into this season, but he just seems to float around the arc on offense and doesn't take the opportunities given to him by the defense to get to the rack.

However, in regards to the quote above, I have to disagree BIG TIME! College basketball is not a game of ticky-tack fouls. Certainly, it may depend on the individual crew working the game, but in general, guys get hit all the time in college and nothing is called. Compare that to the NBA where players are simply touched on the arm on the way up for a jump shot and the refs call it.

I wish the college refs stayed within the original purpose of the rules and called games closer. If you compare college basketball today to the games in the '70s or before you'll see just how much officiating has changed. Today defensive players are allowed to hand-check, use bent elbows on the block to establish position, bumping, etc. That's clearly an example of more than breathing on someone. The game has become much more physical and scoring suffers because of it. It's less finesse today and more brute strength and athletic ability.

Refs in college basketball DEFINITELY DO NOT call ticky-tack fouls, generally speaking.

 

[cyfan964]

Stats to look at over Lunch-
I list the number of FTs attempted by the two starting guards for each Big 12 team.

The most obvious thing is that Petey and Lucca won't draw contact.
Come on guys...find a way to get to the line. FTs are Free Throws.
Your both Good Shooters.


1Eaton OK St 210
2HiggensCU 175
3PullenK St 173
4JerrelsBU 156
5AndresonOk St 125
6SloanA&M 121
7WarrenOK 121
8CollinsKU 120
9ClementeKSt 117
10DagudoNU 110
11RobertsonTech 100
12DGISU 97
13CarterA&M 97
14DugatBU 83
15ThorneCu 78
16HarleyNU 77
17VoskelTech 76
18TaylorKU 73
19AbramsTU 73
20MasonTU 65
21Tiller MU 57
22CrockerOK 54
23TaylorMU 43
24PettyISU 21
25LuccaISU 9

Disclaimer- I did this over lunch. I KNOW that I mispelled most the names and my numbers may be off by 2-3 FTs.
But you guys get the Idea.


Now Discuss-

These stats are completely irrelevant. Petey and Lucca aren't slashers... they are shooters. That's like asking why Blake Griffin is at the bottom of the list for post players on three pointers made... it's not his game.

 

[Clone5]

These stats are completely irrelevant. Petey and Lucca aren't slashers... they are shooters. That's like asking why Blake Griffin is at the bottom of the list for post players on three pointers made... it's not his game.

I wouldn't go that far. Having a player who can get to the line consistently would have helped us a lot this year. We've gone through a lot of very long scoring droughts and having somebody with this skill definitely would have made the difference in a few games.

 

[jbhtexas]

These stats are completely irrelevant. Petey and Lucca aren't slashers... they are shooters. That's like asking why Blake Griffin is at the bottom of the list for post players on three pointers made... it's not his game.

Huh???

Post players don't predominately shoot 3-point shots, because that is not what the post position requires. On the other hand, the 1, 2, and 3 positions typically require driving to the basket.

Those stats are quite relevant, because they show a deficiency in ISU's offense regarding the 2/3 positions. Blake Griffin not attempting three-pointers does not indicate a deficiency in OU's offense.

Your comparison makes no sense.

 

[cyfan964]

I wouldn't go that far. Having a player who can get to the line consistently would have helped us a lot this year. We've gone through a lot of very long scoring droughts and having somebody with this skill definitely would have made the difference in a few games.

I agree with you completely. We needed people to get to the line this year. That is what we lacked and hopefully that's what we are bringing in. I'm just saying it is irrelevant because that is not the style of basketball that they play. Or better yet, are even capable of playing.

 

[cyfan964]

Huh???

Post players don't predominately shoot 3-point shots, because that is not what the post position requires. On the other hand, the 1, 2, and 3 positions typically require driving to the basket. Your comparison makes no sense.

Those stats are quite relevant, because they show a deficiency in ISU's offense regarding the 2/3 positions. Blake Griffin not attempting three-pointers does not indicate a deficiency in OU's offense.

I'm saying compare him to other post players, not guards. My point is that driving and getting fouled isn't the type of game they are capable of playing. Just as Griffin's game isn't shooting outside shots.

 

[jbhtexas]

My point is that driving and getting fouled isn't the type of game they are capable of playing.

That may be true, but the bigger picture here is that in the Big 12 those positions need to have that capability to some extent. The point made by the original poster, and backed up by the stats he presented, is that ISU is not getting this necessary component from the 2/3 position.

 

[clone52]

I've said it before, but having two of Petey, Lucca and Haluska on the floor at the same time really limits things because they can't really put the ball on the floor effectively. Next year, Lucca is really the only guy that will be that way.

 

[cybsball20]

I'm saying compare him to other post players, not guards. My point is that driving and getting fouled isn't the type of game they are capable of playing. Just as Griffin's game isn't shooting outside shots.

Why isn't it? That's pretty much the name of the game in basketball, this isn't HORSE or around the world...

I've said it before, but having two of Petey, Lucca and Haluska on the floor at the same time really limits things because they can't really put the ball on the floor effectively. Next year, Lucca is really the only guy that will be that way.

Exactly, we need basketball players, not a lineup of jumpshooters. I can see having ONE jumpshooter in at spot times but anyone who plays at the major college level should be able to do more than just throw up jumpers.

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

This is why i continue to say the introduction of Gilstrap and Colvin will be a HUGE shot in the arm for our offense. I know a lot of people are not sure of where Colvin will be physically to play big 12 ball. To me, its simple, his athletic ability will have him on the floor day 1. This will move DG to the 2 and Gilstrap to the 3. That lineup from day one, even with the inexperience at PG will be a more dynamic offense that will not see the team score 46 points for a game.

I think the problem with our offense not being able to beat anyone off the dribble is incredibly inaccurate. In fact, i think DG can do this at will, but, as the PG he has two guys that float the three point line and are so inconsistent at making them that no defense ever really challenges the three because they're not afraid of it hurting them. We need a slasher or two that can get to the hoop (Colvin, Gilstrap) and one guy on the wing that can consistently shoot the three or drive (DG, Eik, Haluska, Lucca, Christopherson) and suddenly this anemic offense will really begin to blossom into something incredible!!!!!

The other thing that slashing to the hoop creates is big man fouls!!!!

I'm still extremely excited to get these guys into hilton after our bowl game in football!!!!!

 

[cyfan964]

Why isn't it? That's pretty much the name of the game in basketball, this isn't HORSE or around the world...



Exactly, we need basketball players, not a lineup of jumpshooters. I can see having ONE jumpshooter in at spot times but anyone who plays at the major college level should be able to do more than just throw up jumpers.

Once again, I agree with you guys. My only point is that an orange is an orange. You can't expect people to do things they can't. I agree we need people that can get into the lane and draw contact. We just don't have enough of them. I don't think we needed a list of stats to prove that Petey and Lucca weren't shooting many free throws... it's pretty obvious.

 

[StLouisClone]

This is why i continue to say the introduction of Gilstrap and Colvin will be a HUGE shot in the arm for our offense. I know a lot of people are not sure of where Colvin will be physically to play big 12 ball. To me, its simple, his athletic ability will have him on the floor day 1. This will move DG to the 2 and Gilstrap to the 3. That lineup from day one, even with the inexperience at PG will be a more dynamic offense that will not see the team score 46 points for a game.

I want whoever can hit a 3-pointer to play the 2. If DG doesn't improve in that area, he's going to stay at the 1.