Former Baylor AD No Happy with Baylor

[theshadow]

All that being said, I don’t think the conference can kick Baylor out - as much as they deserve it.

Possible, maybe (depends on interpretations of vague bylaw statements). Probable, no.

Following the yellow brick road on this one...

Baylor has already been sanctioned once by the conference, so anything additional could result in a withdrawal vote ("withdrawal" is the technical term for being kicked out). It would probably fall under "failing to take action / taking actions contrary to the interests of the conference", and would require 7 votes out of 9.

If such a vote happened, it could be up to two years before they're actually gone. The timeline would depend on whatever date the event in question occurred. Theoretically, it could be retroactively applied to something that happened in 2016 or 2017 -- in which case they could be gone as early as June 30, 2019. Otherwise, it would likely be June 30, 2020.

Additionally, because a vote to kick a school out is viewed as a "withdrawal", that school might also not get its share of the revenue distribution for that interim period between the vote and the effective date.

 

[Cyched]

If theres' a way to take Baylor out back and shoot them, I'll gladyl volunteet

 

[CYCLNST8]

Their overall fanbase is pretty small.

It’d explode in the Big 12. I have no doubt they could compete. They don’t even need to leave the city to recruit...

 

[chuckd4735]

It’d explode in the Big 12. I have no doubt they could compete. They don’t even need to leave the city to recruit...

Explode is a stretch. If TCU didn't explode, Houston wouldn't either.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Explode is a stretch. If TCU didn't explode, Houston wouldn't either.

Look at TCU’s enrollment then check out Houston’s. Small private school in Cowboys territory verses enormous commuter school in Texans territory. That town hasn’t had much to cheer for since Warren Moon...

 

[chuckd4735]

Look at TCU’s enrollment then check out Houston’s. Small private school in Cowboys territory verses enormous commuter school in Texans territory. That town hasn’t had much to cheer for since Warren Moon...

I get that, but I don't think joining the Big 12 is going to suddenly make their students/alum interested in sports, especially when there are other schools out there who have the fans in place right now.

I still use this article from 2011, because it speaks directly to what the Big 12 is trying to do, and gives you insight on why they went and got WVU.
https://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/
I'm sure these numbers have changed over the past 6-7 years, but not enough to make Houston attractive to me.

 

[cykadelic2]

I get that, but I don't think joining the Big 12 is going to suddenly make their students/alum interested in sports, especially when there are other schools out there who have the fans in place right now.

I still use this article from 2011, because it speaks directly to what the Big 12 is trying to do, and gives you insight on why they went and got WVU.
https://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/
I'm sure these numbers have changed over the past 6-7 years, but not enough to make Houston attractive to me.

Houston has taken several steps since 2011 in an attempt to remove their commuter school label with more on campus housing and academic endeavors. They also now have the new FB stadium and will start playing next season in a renovated BB arena. In the extreme unlikely event that BU is removed from the B12, Houston (politics, location), Colorado State (academics, location) and BYU (academics, media draw) would be the three favorites to replace them IMO.

I think BU is more at risk in getting left out in a potential B12/P12 media alliance or merger. P12 Presidents are unlikely to approve BU inclusion and given what BU has pulled in recent years, B12 Presidents will likely not provide much support for their inclusion if the P12 objects.

 

[Gorm]

IMO , if Colorado State was ever taken seriously as a contender for a spot, I think Colorado would step in and make sure they get that spot.

 

[JP4CY]

Houston has taken several steps since 2011 in an attempt to remove their commuter school label with more on campus housing and academic endeavors. They also now have the new FB stadium and will start playing next season in a renovated BB arena. In the extreme unlikely event that BU is removed from the B12, Houston (politics, location), Colorado State (academics, location) and BYU (academics, media draw) would be the three favorites to replace them IMO.

I think BU is more at risk in getting left out in a potential B12/P12 media alliance or merger. P12 Presidents are unlikely to approve BU inclusion and given what BU has pulled in recent years, B12 Presidents will likely not provide much support for their inclusion if the P12 objects.

I love realignment talk but if Baylor is out, call Florida State.

 

[inCyteful]

Look at TCU’s enrollment then check out Houston’s. Small private school in Cowboys territory verses enormous commuter school in Texans territory. That town hasn’t had much to cheer for since Warren Moon...

Astro's fans on line 2 for you, but I agree with your point - I could Houston at least covering BU size fanbase pretty easily.

 

[chuckd4735]

Astro's fans on line 2 for you, but I agree with your point - I could Houston at least covering BU size fanbase pretty easily.

I don't disagree that Houston could cover
Baylor's fanbase, but Baylor has the smallest fanbase in the conference. I'd want a fanbase that ranks somewhere near the top 50. BYU, UConn and the Florida schools would be my choice.

 

[cykadelic2]

I love realignment talk but if Baylor is out, call Florida State.

ACC GOR runs through 2036. FSU would not be an option.

 

[cykadelic2]

IMO , if Colorado State was ever taken seriously as a contender for a spot, I think Colorado would step in and make sure they get that spot.

CU would not be an option until the P12 GOR expires which is in the 2024/25 timeframe.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Astro's fans on line 2 for you, but I agree with your point - I could Houston at least covering BU size fanbase pretty easily.

Yeah- I should have specified “in football.”

 

[Gorm]

ACC teams might be in play if that network never happens. Even if it does happen, if it has Pac-12 like network revenue, they could still be in play. Either way, after 2025 the ACC teams are going to be locked in for another 12 years after the rest of the P5 gets a bump.

I'd still prefer to bring in teams to the Big 12 that make geographical sense. Its better for rivalry's, and rivalry's make better football games. Better football games bring better ratings.

 

[chuckd4735]

ACC GOR runs through 2036. FSU would not be an option.

CU would not be an option until the P12 GOR expires which is in the 2024/25 timeframe.

Most think that GoR would never hold up on court.

 

[cykadelic2]

Most think that GoR would never hold up on court.

Don't know who "most" is but it is telling no one I am aware of has challenged a GOR in court.

 

[chuckd4735]

Don't know who "most" is but it is telling no one I am aware of has challenged a GOR in court.

No one had attempted to leave a conference with a GoR yet, and it won't get challenged until that happens.

 

[surly]

"ACC, Maryland reach settlement on exit fee: $31.4M. The University of Maryland will forfeit $31.4 million for leaving the Atlantic Coast Conference to go to the Big Ten Conference, the ACC announced Friday. Aug 8, 2014" USAToday

 

[CTTB78]

If the Big12 is ever fortunate enough to get rid of Baylor, my first two requirements for their replacement is-- not another Texas school and nobody known as BYU.