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TRYHARDER

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Clonefan32 said:
Anyone with a basic understand of both football and math wouldn't.
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Who is a better pitcher a 14 - 10 guy with a 3.0 ERA or a 20 - 4 guy with a 3.5 ERA that led his team to the playoffs. Better is relative. Brock Purdy would not have the same stats if he was a QB at Wisconsin for example. Wouldn't make him a better or worse QB but he would have a better record and passing stats would be less impressive.
 
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Clonefan32 said:
Sure, because you're a fan of a team, not the player.

But you're moving the goalposts completely. My prior responses were in reference to someone trying to compare Brock and Stanley as individual players by their wins. That's nonsense.
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I get that. I'm just saying that Wins is a stat too. Do you think Cowboy fans view Tony Romo as a better QB than Troy Aikman? He shattered all of Troy's passing records.
 
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TRYHARDER said:
Who is a better pitcher a 14 - 10 guy with a 3.0 ERA or a 20 - 4 guy with a 3.5 ERA that led his team to the playoffs. Better is relative. Brock Purdy would not have the same stats if he was a QB at Wisconsin for example. Wouldn't make him a better or worse QB but he would have a better record and passing stats would be less impressive.
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Why wouldn't Purdy have similar stats at Wisconsin? Wisconsin has a better OL and plays a weaker schedule
 
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TRYHARDER said:
Who is a better pitcher a 14 - 10 guy with a 3.0 ERA or a 20 - 4 guy with a 3.5 ERA that led his team to the playoffs. Better is relative. Brock Purdy would not have the same stats if he was a QB at Wisconsin for example. Wouldn't make him a better or worse QB but he would have a better record and passing stats would be less impressive.
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TRYHARDER said:
Who is a better pitcher a 14 - 10 guy with a 3.0 ERA or a 20 - 4 guy with a 3.5 ERA that led his team to the playoffs. Better is relative. Brock Purdy would not have the same stats if he was a QB at Wisconsin for example. Wouldn't make him a better or worse QB but he would have a better record and passing stats would be less impressive.
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You lost me at "led his team to the playoffs". Baseball, like football, relies on things completely out of your control. Wins are a meaningless stat.

Listen, there are advanced stats that can support this argument. I'm too lazy to pull them. But there are statistics that try to remove variables. "Wins", more than maybe any other stat, does not remove variables.
 
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It works for ISU fans to take the highest projection out there and use it as the bar to be compared to. Why wouldn't Iowa fans follow suit?
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Iowa State fans are not saying Brock will be a top 11 pick. Hok fans, however, are certainly hoping that this one report is something to run with.
We heard (from hok fans) all year that your DE was top ten pick, and your QB was a third or fourth rounder. Not so much.
 
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CTTB78 said:
Iowa State fans are not saying Brock will be a top 11 pick. Hok fans, however, are certainly hoping that this one report is something to run with.
We heard (from hok fans) all year that your DE was top ten pick, and your QB was a third or fourth rounder. Not so much.
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Nice try. Purdy is a consensus top 11 pick in next years draft. Hopefully CMC doesn't hurt his draft stock this year.
 
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CyTwins said:
I'm not downplaying anything. He's an absolute stud and CMC beat Saban to get an out of state kid with no ties to the program
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I agree, being a projected top 10 pick is no joke. Lets hope CMC uses him right this year and doesn't make his NFL stock drop any.
 
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CyTwins said:
I'm not downplaying anything. He's an absolute stud and CMC beat Saban to get an out of state kid with no ties to the program
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How is CMC's 21 class looking so far? Are there going to be any commits that ISU is in the lead for coming up to be excited about?
 
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TRYHARDER said:
Who is a better pitcher a 14 - 10 guy with a 3.0 ERA or a 20 - 4 guy with a 3.5 ERA that led his team to the playoffs. Better is relative. Brock Purdy would not have the same stats if he was a QB at Wisconsin for example. Wouldn't make him a better or worse QB but he would have a better record and passing stats would be less impressive.
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In this example the guy with 3 ERA is better. Using wins as a stat for pitchers in baseball should be used as an IQ test...
 
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CyTwins said:
Noel is down to Nebraska and Iowa State. He cut out Wisconsin, Kansas State, Minnesota and Iowa out of his final list

Bruce is thought of to being down to Iowa and Iowa State
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Where do you think Iowa and ISU's classes will rank come December?

I'm guessing Iowa will be mid 30s and ISU late 40s.
 
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