Contractor Conundrum

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  1. mtowncyclone13

    mtowncyclone13 Well-Known Member
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    #1 mtowncyclone13, May 29, 2020
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    Taken care of.
     
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  2. Rabbuk

    Rabbuk Well-Known Member

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    Why would a contractor assume you want work not up to code... And why would he do work that isn't up to code without talking with you first.
     
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  3. Macloney

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    What does the contract say?

    Unfortunately, I would probably call our family lawyer.
     
  4. nfrine

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    Did you get a permit for the remodel? If you did, I'm guessing the city will inspect at some point.
     
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    I'd also like to know who prepared the contract.
     
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    If a contractor is licensed, they will lose their license if they notice something is not up to code and not push to repair it. It's like a mandatory reporter, you have to inform and push to correct. If there was an issue and you knew it was up to code and didn't do anything, it will be on you. If you have an issue (like a fire or something) and you didn't know because a contractor did it and skirted it, your insurance will nail them for it.
     
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    Any contractor who treats code as optional is a bad contractor
     
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    Good luck.
     
  9. mtowncyclone13

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    If I fire him I lose that money. If he quits I can *maybe* recoup some. Before anything I'd like to get some other info in my back pocket.

    It just seems like he is lazy on the little things and those add up.
     
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    I don't envy the situation you are in and I am completely uneducated on the topic, but how can a no-permit-needed job fail to be up to code? Don't the two hold hands
     
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  11. cyIclSoneU

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    Even a free consultation with an attorney could give you some info about whether this contractor not meeting code might excuse you from your entire contract with him.

    If you aren't willing to get a lawyer involved, then you are stuck deciding whether you trust him not to half-ass the work when he will think you're pulling one over on him (seems that's unreasonable, but it's still what he might think) or whether you're going to spend more than you expected by hiring somebody else or paying him more.

    Unless there is some more backstory here, "I didn't communicate my desires properly" is probably too hard on yourself about not meeting code. Did you give him a reason to think that you were wink-wink, nudge-nudge okay with not doing so to keep the price down?
     
  12. mtowncyclone13

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    In my town we don't have city inspections for this type of work but there is still best practices and requirements in the International Building Code.

    An example might be putting a deck pier in the ground without concrete. Maybe the city doesn't require a deck permit but that's still not up to IBC standards.
     
  13. Cycsk

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    Assuming your contract was pretty skimpy and didn't include "meeting code." Seems like you have two choices to get to code. 1) Get a revised contact with him. 2) Hire someone else. How much more do you think it will more do you think it will cost to move the job from where it is now to completion that meets code? Seems like you are going to have to pay someone to do it. If you handle it right, perhaps you can help him out of a jam for taking a job that he wasn't going to do according to code. Of course, that may tell you more than you need to know about him.
     
  14. CYEATHAWK

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    Just curious......exactly what was he hired to do that didn't require a permit, but needs to be brought to code?
     
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    Expensive lesson, but you may have to walk and eat it. If you proceed, it's going to get worse and you're going to end up spending more, whether it be attorney fees or fixing even more.

    If the relationship is sour, neither of you are going to be able to communicate without assuming there's an angle. The chances of both parties ending up pleased at this point is very low. Eat the cash and keep your stress levels low.
     
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    And this part would scare the hell out of me. What kind of contractor doesn't allow someone to look at their work? When it's done are you going to cover it in plastic?
     
  17. CYEATHAWK

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    Is your dad an IBC inspector?
     
  18. CYEATHAWK

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    He didn't say anything about "looking" at their work. From the way it sounds is that the OP wanted something done.....at a very reasonable rate....and the guy doing the work doesn't like the fact that now someone has turned the OP's ear about how the work looks......very reasonable. I don't like to use the word "cheap".
     
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  19. mtowncyclone13

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    Or OP noticed it looked suspect and called in someone with more experience to confirm or refute his suspicions?
     
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  20. CYEATHAWK

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    Whoa......pump the brakes. Just responding to what I have read. Being a contractor myself I know what it's like for someone to come in and say my work blows. Even though it exceeds all codes local or otherwise without a permit. That is the nature of the beast in this business. Everyone knows how to do the job better than the guy who is doing it. And maybe that is his rub also. Or, maybe his work does just flat out blow. I don't know. The way I see it......you have $4500 you were going to pay him at completion, right? Why not sit down with him.....offer him a little more to make it right. Put him on the spot. Basically....start over. Then see what he says.
     
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